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Commanders vs Giants NFL DFS Showdown | TNF Week 10 Showdown Shippers | Picks, Plays & Process

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From the archive. This breakdown is for the Thursday, November 12 NFL slate. Salaries, weather and picks were for that day.

The Short Version

Tambo, Hoop, and Tidal break down Commanders vs Giants with a total around 40 and rain concerns. Malik Nabers is a leading captain choice because reception volume can deliver without a touchdown. Jayden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy round out the popular options, with McCarthy preferred more strongly in flex. Cam Skattebo and Isaiah Likely offer alternate captain ceilings, while cheaper captains help fit the expensive pieces on a slate short on value.

Austin Ekeler ($4,600) is the preferred running back value, with Rachaad White also playable and Washington's backs usable together in larger portfolios. Malachi Fields ($5,000) offers consistent targets and a cheaper captain route. Treylon Burks returns as useful salary relief, while Van Jefferson draws split opinions. Both kickers and defenses are supported. FanDuel pricing strengthens the case for midrange MVPs, with Chig Okonkwo and Fields standing out among the cheaper options.

FadesTheo JohnsonJohn Bates

Plays Mentioned

PlayCallThe TakeAt
CAPTAIN One of the three preferred captains, with enough alternative flex options to differentiate without abandoning the popular multiplier choices. 6:50
CAPTAIN A leading captain choice because high reception volume and the yardage bonus can produce a ceiling without a touchdown; some builds can omit McCarthy from flex. 9:49
CAPTAIN The uncomfortable price should suppress ownership, while two touchdowns in a low-total game could make him the necessary captain. 12:47
CAPTAIN An additional captain option whose recent receiving production could become an optimal multiplier performance with a touchdown. 13:15
CAPTAIN A cheaper captain who changes the build and offers a different route from Nabers or Likely if he catches two touchdowns. 15:36
CAPTAIN A preferred captain for part of the discussion because of sneaky rushing upside, although others favor his receivers or Skattebo at the multiplier. 16:38
CORE At $8,800, his price and projected floor make him a strong flex fit across many roster constructions. 18:32
CORE At $10,000, he is supported in flex as well as captain. 18:53
LEVERAGE An expensive contrarian flex option if ownership stays near single digits, but interest drops sharply if it reaches the upper teens. 21:19
CORE Supported for overweight flex exposure at a fair price, with the clearer starting role and enough receiving ability to pair with Ekeler in larger portfolios. 23:08
VALUE The preferred running back at $4,600, with meaningful playing time and receiving work providing needed salary relief. 25:01
Opinions differ: he is considered among alternate captains, but his $9,200 DraftKings price favors Daniels captain pairings and also draws an underweight stance because of his limited snap share. 28:21
VALUE At $3,600, his return supplies scarce value and allows use beyond Daniels captain builds. 28:56
VALUE At $5,000, his established number-two role and target counts of eight, five, and five make him an appealing flex option; FanDuel's $4,600 price is also supported. 29:47
The discussion is split between including him with Daniels at captain after last week's production and expecting zero exposure with Burks returning; his $7,600 FanDuel price is heavily criticized. 32:03
VALUE His roughly 55 percent snap share and cheap salary make him an option for fitting the expensive captain choices. 33:31
CAPTAIN One of McCarthy's two main targets, with a ceiling that makes captain appealing when his expensive flex salary already demands a big performance. 35:13
FADE The main recommendation rejects the backup tight end because of minimal projected involvement, despite acknowledging a cheap touchdown leverage path and possible fringe portfolio use. 35:13
FADE Explicitly left out of the main player pool because the backup tight ends offer little projected involvement, and even a touchdown might not make him necessary. 35:13
At $800, he is preferred to the backup tight ends as a desperation option because one deep catch could matter, although a zero is considered the usual outcome. 36:18
CORE Supported alongside the other kicker because of consistent scoring, with no game below six fantasy points in the results discussed. 38:17
CORE Supported for overweight kicker exposure after several productive games, with the low total making modest scoring more valuable. 38:54
Giants DST CORE At $4,800, the defense is supported because the low total, possible rain, and pass rush create an appealing setting. 39:15
Commanders DST CORE At $4,400, the defense is supported alongside both kickers in a potentially ugly, low-scoring game. 39:15
VALUE His $5,400 FanDuel price stands out as an attractive discount. 41:54
LEVERAGE On FanDuel, he offers an alternative to the kickers expected to attract more ownership in the same salary range; DraftKings opinions range from overpriced to overweight. 43:46

DFS Terms Used on This Show

OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership▶ Said at 0:04 Showdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown▶ Said at 0:04 SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate▶ Said at 2:32 CeilingCeiling is the high end of a player's or lineup's realistic range of fantasy scores. It describes a big performance that could happen when things go well, not the expected score or an absolute maximum.Describe what must happen for each player to have a huge game. Then check whether those conditions help or hurt the other players in your lineup.Read the full definition of Ceiling▶ Said at 3:36 LeverageLeverage is the edge you gain by rostering a play the field is underweight on, compared with how often it ends up in winning lineups. When that play outscores the popular option most lineups chose instead, you gain ground on those lineups, though the rest of your roster still decides where you finish.Look for leverage on players connected to the chalk, like the other side of a popular game or a teammate who can steal the popular player's touches.Read the full definition of Leverage▶ Said at 4:55 Flex and UTILA standard NFL FLEX accepts a running back, wide receiver or tight end. In DraftKings NFL Showdown, FLEX instead means a regular-scoring slot alongside Captain, with broader eligibility that includes quarterbacks.Before lock, identify affordable replacements for your latest starter. An open FLEX or UTIL slot helps only if suitable unlocked players remain within your budget.Read the full definition of Flex and UTIL▶ Said at 6:50 ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections▶ Said at 7:30 ChalkChalk is the most popular, highly owned play on a slate. The term comes from sports betting, where the favorite is called the chalk.Don't label chalk good or bad. Ask whether each popular play deserves its ownership, then decide which chalk you'll eat and which you'll fade.Read the full definition of Chalk▶ Said at 8:18 Fantasy PointsFantasy points are the score a DFS contest assigns to a player or team defense by converting real sports statistics and results through its scoring rules. Your lineup's total determines your contest ranking.Before trusting an average, check which games it includes and whether the player's role has changed. Separate repeatable opportunities from a few unusually productive games.Read the full definition of Fantasy Points▶ Said at 10:11 Optimal LineupAn optimal lineup is a legal roster that maximizes fantasy points under the salary cap and roster rules. After games, it uses actual scores; before games, a projected optimal uses estimated scores and any lineup restrictions you set.When reviewing an optimal, replace its most surprising scorer with a realistic pregame alternative. Check whether the remaining construction still offered a credible path to winning your contest.Read the full definition of Optimal Lineup▶ Said at 13:15 Target ShareTarget share is the percentage of a team's targets (passes thrown toward an intended receiver) that go to one player. A receiver who sees 8 of his team's 32 targets has a 25 percent target share.Judge target share over the last three or four games, not the full season, especially after a trade, an injury or a quarterback change. The most recent role is the one you are paying for.Read the full definition of Target Share▶ Said at 15:09 Roster ConstructionRoster construction is how you organize a DFS lineup within its salary cap and roster rules. It includes where you spend or save, which positions you prioritize, and how your players fit together.Build two versions around your biggest spending decision, then compare every player who changes. Revisit the comparison when injury news changes the available value.Read the full definition of Roster Construction▶ Said at 18:53 Spending UpSpending up means choosing a higher-priced player over a cheaper alternative, using more of your lineup's salary budget at that spot. You may also hear it called paying up.Build a version with your preferred expensive player and another without. Before choosing, check whether either version relies on a cheap player whose expected role still depends on unresolved injury news.Read the full definition of Spending Up▶ Said at 21:19 ContrarianA contrarian play or lineup is one built around choices most of the field will not make, such as low-owned players, unpopular teams or an unusual salary structure.Pick one or two contrarian spots per lineup and ground each in a real reason. The rest of the roster can look like the field.Read the full definition of Contrarian▶ Said at 21:19 Multi-EntryMulti-entry means entering more than one lineup into the same contest. A contest's entry limit, such as 3, 20 or 150, sets how many lineups one user can submit.Set your total spend for the slate first, then divide it into entries. Multi-entry should spread a fixed budget across more outcomes, not raise how much you put at risk.Read the full definition of Multi-Entry▶ Said at 26:38 SimulationsSimulations play out a slate thousands of times using each player's range of outcomes, then record what happened. Contest sims go further and score your lineups against a simulated field to estimate how often they cash or win.Use sims to compare close decisions, not to replace your read. If a sim result surprises you, check the input that caused it before trusting it.Read the full definition of Simulations▶ Said at 26:59 UnderweightYou are underweight in DFS when a player, team stack or lineup combination appears in a smaller percentage of your entries than in the contest field's entries.Compare the same contest, format and roster slot. Use projected ownership before lock, then check actual ownership afterward to see whether your intended underweight stance held.Read the full definition of Underweight▶ Said at 32:47 Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS)Daily fantasy sports (DFS) are fantasy contests that last a single day, week or event. You pick a new lineup under a salary cap, players score fantasy points from real stats, and you win cash based on your finish.Start with low buy-in cash games while you learn pricing and roster rules. They give steadier feedback than big tournaments, where long losing streaks are normal even for good players.Read the full definition of Daily Fantasy Sports▶ Said at 45:10 Late SwapIn NFL contests with late swap, you can change unlocked afternoon or evening players after earlier games begin. Only games included in that contest's player pool are available.Before the first games lock, identify affordable backup combinations for your later players. Check that each combination fits the open positions, then confirm your saved changes in every affected entry.Read the full definition of Late Swap▶ Said at 49:13 Bankroll ManagementBankroll management is how you size your DFS spending relative to the money you have set aside to play, called your bankroll, so normal losing streaks do not wipe you out.Write down your per-slate limit before the season starts. Spending rules are much easier to keep when you set them before a losing streak, not during one.Read the full definition of Bankroll Management▶ Said at 49:40 GPP (Guaranteed Prize Pool)A GPP is a tournament whose prize pool is guaranteed to pay out in full even if the contest does not fill. Payouts are steep: usually only the top 20 to 25 percent of entries get paid, and a small group at the top wins most of the money.Before you enter a tournament lineup, ask how it finishes first, not just how it cashes. If you cannot name that scenario, rebuild it.Read the full definition of GPP▶ Said at 50:15

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0:04

All systems go. Clear for liftoff. What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamboline here, a.k.a. ToeTagginTambo. Back for another edition of the Showdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown Shippers here on the Ship It Nation YouTube station. We got Thursday Night Football, Commanders at the Giants. Lots to talk about here. We're going to go through it as usual with the captains, OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership, roster composition and construction. All our thoughts, position by position, and we'll round it out with some FanDuel. Got title, got Hoop here with me as usual.

0:57

And Hoop, I'll bring you in first, man. What's going on? Not much. Finally feeling better. And unfortunately, we were joking before the show. It appears that I passed the illness through StreamYard to our buddy title because he's kind of down a little bit. So it might be some limited talking from him today, but I'm back to a hundred percent. I will say it was pretty depressing. Clicking on that link to come in here. It's week ten of the NFL season. I mean, week ten.

1:24

I mean, honestly, time does go fast. Everyone talks about it. But it seems like yesterday, or okay, it seems like last week where we did the first NFL show of the season. And we're two and a half months in. It's absolutely insane. Got to appreciate it before it's gone. That's for sure. The Best Buy pricing of weeks during the NFL has gone now. Once it's week nine, you're still like, oh, single digits. We've got lots of time.

1:46

The minute it hits week ten, damn, it's like this season's over, even though it's not. We still got lots of time left. It's going to be exciting. Title, Hoop mentioned it off the top. The old right down onto you, buddy. You're sick now. What's going on, though? Yeah, not as bad as Hooper. It could be worse. Hoping it doesn't get too much worse. Second day in a row taking NyQuil. The liquid NyQuil is definitely the way to go. But yeah, I mean, the wife was sick.

2:11

Kid was sick. I'm still been playing poker, so I'm not helping myself over here either. But hey, ready to rock. And yeah, I think a pretty solid showdown game today. I think there's a lot of ways it can go. Some weather to talk about everyone's favorite. But yeah, ready to ready to get into it. We'll get that with you here in a little bit for certain. Yeah, I'm sick. Who cares? Still at the poker table. Just a little cough on the aces here.

2:32

Slide the chip across. Pass it around. Let's go. If I'm going to be sick, everybody else might as well be too. But the grind never stops, like we say, just like with DFS. So like your call out, definitely an interesting SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate. It could go a lot of different ways. We'll get the chat's thoughts once we get things rolling here a little bit. Make sure to hit that thumbs up.

2:49

If you're watching live right now with us, make sure to hit that little X on the chat. If you're on mobile, you can hit the thumbs up, pop right back up into the chat and interact with us throughout the show. Hoop, let's get the grand scheme overview, man. I think, you know, for the most part, it's tricky one. I think for some to predict the spread is pretty close. The total, sorry, titles down below title total sits right in the middle.

3:09

But what's your thoughts on this game? Give us your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, low total sitting right around forty, some potential weather. It looks like, you know, light rain, which maybe that means it'll be an absolute monsoon and zero passing yards. Who the hell knows what you're going to get weather wise. But the last I saw title you can verify, but heavier rain during the day, lighter rain during the game.

3:36

But again, last time we heard that it turned into a freaking hurricane and neither team could pass the ball at all. So I'm going to leave that weather portion up to our guy title in terms of the game. Yeah, I think you touched on it. It's kind of a difficult one for DFS. I think the the hard part that we all have is like, where are some of these CeilingCeiling is the high end of a player's or lineup's realistic range of fantasy scores. It describes a big performance that could happen when things go well, not the expected score or an absolute maximum.Describe what must happen for each player to have a huge game. Then check whether those conditions help or hurt the other players in your lineup.Read the full definition of Ceiling performances in this game?

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Like how many guys could have a big boy? Performance. And the number is honestly probably pretty low, the number of guys. So when we go through and talk about captain and things like that, to me, it's probably going to be a little bit difficult.

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There's not many guys, I think, on the SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate that can have the big boy performance and if one of them does that's just going to be needed in the captain so um you know it's kind of leading me towards a very consolidated group of captains which we'll get into when we kind of go through it all but it's uh it's a tough one low total um ceiling performances look pretty difficult to uh predict but we'll see you know come in come on to the show open-minded and kind

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Of you know feed off each other and see what we can find but my initial thoughts is uh gonna be pretty tough to identify some captains outside of the main guys Yeah, I think everyone's going to feel the same about the main guys when we get to it. There's, you know, title talks about this. Usually when we get to it, we'll get to his thoughts.

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But it's when you look at the other options like the digs, the Antonio Williams, the Malachi Fields of the world, whatever else you want to do down there and pick your poison. But you will be able to get LeverageLeverage is the edge you gain by rostering a play the field is underweight on, compared with how often it ends up in winning lineups. When that play outscores the popular option most lineups chose instead, you gain ground on those lineups, though the rest of your roster still decides where you finish.Look for leverage on players connected to the chalk, like the other side of a popular game or a teammate who can steal the popular player's touches.Read the full definition of Leverage on all of those guys because there's no way people are getting them into double digits or anything like that. Justin, remind me of that lineup. I know that something happened with the Browns D at the very end of the game. I remember that.

5:16

And it was like the very last second and they ended up getting it into the end zone. And Jordan Newins over here, who looking to go a little Jensen Wang on the people here, a little NVIDIA style, said the Sidney Sweeney ads going to get us men into some trouble. You can't be doing that, Jordan. You see what happens? NVIDIA CEO out. You got to pay attention to the news, man. Lots of trending stuff happening right now.

5:39

The temptation is strong out there, fellas. Temptation is very strong. Title, give us your breakdown of the weather there and then anything else you want to add to Hoop's overview. But after that, you can get right into the captains yourself. Yeah, it sounds like Hoop said, the worst of the rain is going to be pregame, some light rain. I mean, again, who really knows? Winds, though, also a concern. Seeing fifty miles an hour, some gusts up to twenty ish.

6:04

Yeah, I mean, I just like looking at the total open at forty two, now forty and a half. And I think that closer to game time, like the people are sharp. If it really looks bad and it goes down to forty or even thirty nine and a half, that's going to definitely mean something to me. If it goes up a little bit, even to forty one, forty one and a half, then I'm thinking it's going to be a little better.

6:23

So I'm definitely looking at sports books more than anything today in terms of how the weather is expected to play out. As far as, yeah, this late, always the first thing I do is look at Showdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown. Three people above ten percent. Jayden Daniels, McCarthy, Nabers. Yeah, I think it's very easy to make a case for all three. And those are my three favorites. I do think, though, because a forty and a half total. Yeah, it's really interesting.

6:50

Like it's nice trail on Burks is back, but when we get to these flex and go position by position, there is a lot of random players that could still have a role, a lot of pass catchers. So I think it's easy enough to get different Flex and UTILA standard NFL FLEX accepts a running back, wide receiver or tight end. In DraftKings NFL Showdown, FLEX instead means a regular-scoring slot alongside Captain, with broader eligibility that includes quarterbacks.Before lock, identify affordable replacements for your latest starter. An open FLEX or UTIL slot helps only if suitable unlocked players remain within your budget.Read the full definition of Flex and UTIL and still no one showing above twenty percent right now where I'm still just going to play Jayden Daniels, Nabers and McCarthy. I rank them. I think in that order, Jaden, Nabers, and McCarthy, but it's pretty close.

7:14

And then the two after that that I'm interested in, and I'd be fine almost fading everyone else, is Scatabo and Isaiah Likely. As far as Scat, I mean, the price tag is a sticker shock, and that's why people aren't going to really get there as much. He's cheap – or he's two hundred more than J.J.

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McCarthy – and yeah that's the main thing right there but I mean two hundred more than or McCarthy when McCarthy's ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections over five points higher has to leave him relatively LeverageLeverage is the edge you gain by rostering a play the field is underweight on, compared with how often it ends up in winning lineups. When that play outscores the popular option most lineups chose instead, you gain ground on those lineups, though the rest of your roster still decides where you finish.Look for leverage on players connected to the chalk, like the other side of a popular game or a teammate who can steal the popular player's touches.Read the full definition of Leverage he's really expensive on FanDuel as well but fits the scoring a little better over there as far as Isaiah Likely it's just really clear who the two targets are for McCarthy it's It's Nabers. It's Likely.

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And there's not too much after that in terms of if someone's getting fifteen to twenty on this SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate. I kind of struggle to see who else would be maybe Chig. I'll let who talk about the Chig whisper, though. The backfield for the Commanders, White, Eckler, too much of a split to really get there. A captain for me, Singletary price like Scadabo was going to be out. Which we've seen in the past. So that only brings him into flex consideration.

8:18

Yeah, if I had to make more people outside of those five, it probably would be Chig and Antonio Williams. But yeah, it's mainly the five guys for me. I'll be pretty ChalkChalk is the most popular, highly owned play on a slate. The term comes from sports betting, where the favorite is called the chalk.Don't label chalk good or bad. Ask whether each popular play deserves its ownership, then decide which chalk you'll eat and which you'll fade.Read the full definition of Chalk. I think there's enough ways to get different. Yeah. A couple of things you said there. One for sure is, you know, the Skattebo thing like tonight at the end of the day, it's really interesting.

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We'll see if it steams by, I don't think it will, but if just for some reason by lock with the rain and all that, and they are the home favorite and I get it all, it's not going to feel great, but he splits the difference on the two OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership guys on that side. It's McCarthy at captain. He's So people will definitely just want McCarthy. You can get Nabers in easily with Likely with whatever else you decide to be able to stack that up a captain.

8:56

And then people are going to be on Nabers. And what's interesting is that, you know, also too, if you do have this rainy type of game and that sort of set up, it would or should and could favor the running backs in this spot. So nobody wants, obviously the commander side, it's a mess. People are thinking about, you know, the trade deadline. I think there was a thing, I don't know if it was real early. It's hard to tell anymore. What is real?

9:14

But I think it was a quote from scat when they were saying, how do you feel about the trade deadline and them trying to shop and look for people? And he said, I don't blame them when their guy is only doing this, but I know what I'm capable of. They know what I'm capable of. And I don't know what he said, like run like a demon or something.

9:29

This guy's a little maniac, but we know, but you know, maniacal, I should say, but it is funny. And I think he said something like that and he's ready to roll for tonight. So we'll see how it shakes out. That is a real quote. I did just see that too. I was making sure it was actually from him. I thought you were going to say something. I wasn't sure, but I know you're down a little on the voice there.

9:49

I didn't want to bust in too much, but let's talk to you on this one, Hoop. Scat as an option up top. I mean, we know about Daniels McCarthy Nabers. I want to hear how you're handling them, but outside of those guys, what do you go to next if you're moving off that? Yeah, so I mean, the big three are clearly Daniels, Nabers, and McCarthy. Pretty similar to title, but I'm going to put Nabers one.

10:11

I mean, just what volume wide receivers just have such a massive advantage on DK scoring. I mean, they can get there without even scoring a touchdown, like, you know, nine catches, a hundred and forty yards. That's I don't even know, like, what is that, like, twenty-six Fantasy PointsFantasy points are the score a DFS contest assigns to a player or team defense by converting real sports statistics and results through its scoring rules. Your lineup's total determines your contest ranking.Before trusting an average, check which games it includes and whether the player's role has changed. Separate repeatable opportunities from a few unusually productive games.Read the full definition of Fantasy Points without even scoring a – what's the bonus for a hundred? Is it three points? Three points. Yeah, so nine, one-forty, that's twenty-six fantasy points without scoring a touchdown.

10:37

It's just such a massive advantage for – That's also what Puka had at the half against these guys last week. It was something like that, to be clear. So thinking about Nabers here, but go ahead. Puka, we've got a season-long question, too. Lost Puka this week. I'd offer Puka for Rice and Ibuka. Immediately go and accept that. ASAP, Puka's going to be coming back. Well, it depends. It's the other way, though. He's saying it. You guys are saying snap it. Isn't he saying he lost?

11:02

Hey, guys, I lost Puka this week. So someone offered me Rice and Ibuka for Puka. Rice and Ibuka for my Puka, I think he's saying. So if you're getting Puka, Great. If you're having to give him up, I don't want to trade him for him. I would a hundred percent give him up. He's not coming back. I said like week fifteen. Yeah, there's literally one answer. If you're nine and one right now or whatever, nine and oh, you keep Puka.

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If you're four and five and you're not going to be – That's how I was making it. It's like I don't know who has a Puka team that's not crushing, but anything's possible. Yeah, if you're clearly making the playoffs, yeah, that's a good point. If you're easily in on the playoffs, then you keep them. If you're – you got to work your way back into the playoff picture. And, like, yeah, there's so many more factors, too.

11:44

But, yeah, good call out from – And you'd have to play. If you're taking it, you'd have to play Rice and Igbuka every week. Like, if you have a better receiver, your wide receiver three is better than Igbuka, then you just – you don't take it.

11:55

Yeah, man – we got to see we got the season-long people covered too like Showdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown yeah we got everything covered we got everything here man yeah exactly got everything you need this is the spot um but preferred Nabers over Daniels but I'm going to play both of them I mean daniel's rushing ability is you know huge uh when he went actually really hasn't been running a ton since that elbow so yeah actually looking at this tougher I guess tougher matchup last week but Yeah, pretty clear for me.

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Nabers over Daniels, and then there's another drop down to McCarthy for me. I actually might like Scadaboo over McCarthy. I just feel if McCarthy has the big game, Nabers or Likely has a bigger game. I just don't see where McCarthy spreads it out a ton. There's just not many guys. I mean, I guess you could throw fields and their fields had a decent amount of targets last week, but you really have to spread it out a lot.

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So I think maybe Gattaboo or Likely over McCarthy for me. I don't love of those top three. McCarthy is clearly my least favorite. Let's just put it that way. But I do don't mind Scadaboo. There's a clear path. I mean, the price is uncomfortable. People aren't going to want to do it, but there's multiple touchdown upside in this game. Low total fee scores, too. I mean, that's probably he's probably the guy you need. So I I like him. I like Likely.

13:15

And yeah I mean to answer the chig question I will he's the next guy that I put in there I mean even last week it was a solid performance didn't find the end zone it was like seven four six for fifty seven um if that includes a touchdown and he has the chance to be the Optimal LineupAn optimal lineup is a legal roster that maximizes fantasy points under the salary cap and roster rules. After games, it uses actual scores; before games, a projected optimal uses estimated scores and any lineup restrictions you set.When reviewing an optimal, replace its most surprising scorer with a realistic pregame alternative. Check whether the remaining construction still offered a credible path to winning your contest.Read the full definition of Optimal Lineup captain so Yeah, I'm going to include him. Maybe a little bit of bias because I do love this guy.

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He did treat us right for that showdown game. We got his over on the yards within the first quarter. We called it on – or I called it. I'm going to take a little credit for this one. I called it on the show. It happened. We all celebrated it. So slightly biased, but I'm definitely in on Chig up top. So it will be Nabers, Daniels. I'm going to throw that next group all together. Skattebo, Likely McCarthy, and then a little bit of Chig.

14:05

Yeah, so I'll be a little different, I think. I think one thing for me on this slate, and we haven't got to yet when we go to position by position, is there's like no value. I mean, everybody can make up their own value they want to. Trelon Burks, nice to see him get no designation moving into this game at $3,600 bucks. He's got that just cuts into some of the other stuff with like Van Jefferson and whatever else there.

14:24

You can make any case you want for the Bates, the Theo Johnsons, the Moonies, the Hyatt. There's tons of those options you could slide in. But I think if you are going to end up needing, and especially if it ends up being a lower scoring game, it could be that you need both quarterbacks, a running back, a Nabers, and all this stuff mixed in. You're probably going to need a mid-range captain. And it's not that you guys weren't on these guys.

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I'm just saying just for me, it's probably a little bit less on the three popular ones and more on Besides maybe Nabers, but everybody knows if you're playing one, Nabers is kind of the guy that everybody's in on. But I like Fields. I like Diggs, Antonio Williams. Diggs is really interesting to me just because he's Skadaboo and McCarthy range. So that one stands out to me. But it's hard to see these other captains getting there.

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So what we need to happen is we need either a lower scoring game or just a pretty tight Target ShareTarget share is the percentage of a team's targets (passes thrown toward an intended receiver) that go to one player. A receiver who sees 8 of his team's 32 targets has a 25 percent target share.Judge target share over the last three or four games, not the full season, especially after a trade, an injury or a quarterback change. The most recent role is the one you are paying for.Read the full definition of Target Share type game with less value, though. I think that's going to require cheaper captains. The argument for McCarthy up top is just that, like Hoop always says, it's going to be Nabers or Likely.

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But I think with McCarthy, because of Fields and some of the other guys there, plus he could run it when they get up there, I do still have interest in him on that side. But I think Fields...

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Probably is the most interesting one just because it's different than everything it's it's not going to Skattebo just because he splits the difference on those other two it's not going to Nabers it would leverage him Likely as long as he's you know still got um the ability to score two touchdowns in a game is more interesting to me so I don't have as much interest in like chig you know the guys on the other side really those running backs that type of thing it's like jayden digs maybe some Williams.

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And then on the other side, it's more, it's like McCarthy, Nabers, fields, Likely scat. Like that's the giant side heavier for me. Title, any follow-up there? Anything else you want to add? I was going to mention, yeah, I think J.J. McCarthy does a sneaky rushing upside.

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His prop is like fifteen and a half, which isn't great, but especially when – I mean, if it's really going to be wet and stuff and people are going to be slipping or they struggle to move it, he's fearless. I'll give J.J. McCarthy props on that. I mean, he got – his ribs definitely got hurt last week. Did you see the clip of him warming up trying to come back in the game? No. On the side.

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He fell down as soon as he did it. It looked like he got shot. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he got cracked. He definitely is fearless and is a competitor, whatever else you want to say about him. But I do think the sneaky rushing upside is kind of why I like him at captain as well, because I wouldn't be surprised if he rushed one in. Now, let me say that. Let me see what the actual numbers are for that. Plus five hundred.

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Not crazy. Same as fields. What's the rushing? Fifteen and a half. Yeah, that's not great. Not great. What is that, Jaden? Twenty-two yards last game, and then he came in one yard, twenty-six yards last two games. What's Jaden's rushing prop? Let's see. Jaden is – Thirty-seven. There you go. No, no, that's a guess. Thirty-five. I said thirty seven is thirty five. I don't know. Thirty nine. Thirty nine and a half. All right. Bob Barker who still got it close without going over.

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By the way, I don't care about this side note. I got to bring it up. Me and Rio were dying in the chat last week. When did you hear Hanson freaking out on red zone like when when when my homes got hurt? He just started going absolutely nuts. Like, this guy got shot in the middle of the field. Like, a sniper came in the building and took this dude out or something. It was, oh, my God. Oh, my God, guys. I'm going to go over here.

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Like, this is how Hansen's going off. Meanwhile, Buddy goes to the sidelines. He's, like, warming up against people. McCarthy warm up. That was a bit. You could see him, like, just drop down. He acted like Mahomes got hit by a sniper in the field, man. It's insane. He was freaking out about Corgi, the dog running around at halftime. This guy was going nuts on that thing, man. It's crazy. Hanson's the man.

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He's been around forever doing it, but it was just some of the shit is just wild. You know, on Sundays, listen to this stuff. Meanwhile, we can't, we haven't got an Octobox since $2,000 twenty on the screen because they want to tell you they got it and then never put it on the on their own screen. So, yeah, side note there.

18:32

But let's go to anything else at quarterback group that you want to talk about beyond the conversation we had about the rushing yards. I mean, in terms of just looking at the pricing, I mean, you know, $8,800 for a guy like McCarthy is is too cheap in my eyes. Yeah, I'm still going to play him in the captain. Wasn't my favorite, but I really like him a lot Flex and UTILA standard NFL FLEX accepts a running back, wide receiver or tight end. In DraftKings NFL Showdown, FLEX instead means a regular-scoring slot alongside Captain, with broader eligibility that includes quarterbacks.Before lock, identify affordable replacements for your latest starter. An open FLEX or UTIL slot helps only if suitable unlocked players remain within your budget.Read the full definition of Flex and UTIL today.

18:53

Just seems like a very high floor sort of play today. You can fit him in any sort of really lineup Roster ConstructionRoster construction is how you organize a DFS lineup within its salary cap and roster rules. It includes where you spend or save, which positions you prioritize, and how your players fit together.Build two versions around your biggest spending decision, then compare every player who changes. Revisit the comparison when injury news changes the available value.Read the full definition of Roster Construction build like he's in play. So I really like him a lot in the flex. And then, you know, nothing really to add on Jane Daniels. I mean, $10,000 good up top, good in the flex. These guys got me laughing. This one, it was like his own son.

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It's like he would want to run out of the studio down to the field and save his ass or something. It's like, dude, it's going to be all right, man. Like, relax. Anything else, Title, that you want to add at the quarterback position? I guess, you know, the chat's joking about it, but you could see James come in for a tush push or something. This is the way it is. It is the New York Giants, so anything is possible.

19:37

Yeah, I mean, I'd be a little more surprised. I think the most Likely outcome you see James is if, I mean, McCarthy gets hit in the ribs again or something or really is lingering in pain and they're down fourteen and need something. I don't see it, but I'd be more surprised to see him on a tush push than I would due to injury. Yeah. I'll let you go on running back in a second. I just want to add one thing.

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Cause I think this is, you know, some of the stuff people are, when we talk about quarterback, can't say much more. What we, all we can really talk about is what we, we preach is the process and roster construction. I think it's an interesting night for Nabers. Captain no McCarthy. In the flex in some lineups. I'm not saying the obvious is to always put them together and that's what everybody else does.

20:15

But if it's going to be low scoring, if like hoop said, Nabers is the type of guy that can have nine for one forty. Yeah. One forty does help McCarthy, but it's only one forty. What if there's not much more to go? What if he's not rushing to that fifteen and a half yard prop? And it's already not that crazy. What if he doesn't rush one in? What if he doesn't throw more than a touchdown or some of that? And again, could be enough.

20:36

But you just never know. So I think it is important to think about those things on a SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate like this. I'd be fine with a lineup that had, say, Nabers at captain, no McCarthy in the flex. It's definitely very possible the way this slate is shaping up right now. So, Ty, I'll go back to you for the running back conversation. We've mentioned scat. You mentioned the split on the other side. But there's other stuff you could talk about here, so I'll let you run away with it.

20:59

Yeah, I mean, the tough thing is starting on the Giants side. We actually saw this similar situation with the Eagles not too long ago against the Commanders, I believe. It was Sunday night when Damian Pierce was priced up. When Saquon was back and they priced up Damian Pierce, Saquon would be out, which I don't blame him. I'd rather that than if Saquon didn't play.

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Or scat didn't play and you have a starting running back at $4,000 now what happened in that game though davian Pierce was almost optimal saquon did get hurt but I mean they've shown like I mean scat almost got like he got practically benched one game they've shown not to ride scat as a true workhorse so it's ultra ContrarianA contrarian play or lineup is one built around choices most of the field will not make, such as low-owned players, unpopular teams or an unusual salary structure.Pick one or two contrarian spots per lineup and ground each in a real reason. The rest of the roster can look like the field.Read the full definition of Contrarian and you're Spending UpSpending up means choosing a higher-priced player over a cheaper alternative, using more of your lineup's salary budget at that spot. You may also hear it called paying up.Build a version with your preferred expensive player and another without. Before choosing, check whether either version relies on a cheap player whose expected role still depends on unresolved injury news.Read the full definition of Spending Up to get different but showing single digit OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership on Devin Singletary or we're showing man I I'm not sure it's gonna get sixteen I got him closer to the nine, ten mark.

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But regardless, if it's nine or ten, I got interest. If it's sixteen, I'll take that back and I don't have as much interest. Definitely playing some scat, thirty percent flex, six percent captain. Again, he's overpriced a little bit, especially when you're comparing him to McCarthy. But I mean, I expect the Giants to pound the ball, which is also why I think Singletary is interesting. The Giants can run the ball thirty five times today. They're they're going to do that. Keep Jaden off the field.

22:15

Control the clock. Nasty weather game. So I'm interested in both of the Giants running backs together. That's really difficult. I don't know if I'd make a rule in one fifty, but most people watching aren't playing one fifty. They're just too expensive to play together. At least what my brain tells myself on the Washington side. It's really clear. Rashad White and Eckler. And the snap share was relatively at fifty six percent and forty five last week. Forty seven. Thirty three the week prior.

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But then McNichols got hurt. I think both are very much in play. Who do I prefer? I want to say maybe Eckler due to we need value at $4,600, but then just seeing a six percent ownership difference between the two. When I do look at White as the starter pretty clearly, like looking at the rushing yards prop, it's thirty eight and a half versus Eckler sitting at like twenty nine and a half. You're looking at touchdowns.

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Rashad White plus one eighty Eckler plus three twenty. I think both are priced fairly and I think it's pretty easy to get overweight on both of them. It'd be easier to play both of them in the same lineup. Cause they can both catch passes as well. I don't know. I'm curious to hear what you guys, all four running backs, I think are solid at ownership.

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And I plan on having a good amount in the game environment shows that, but I'm curious to hear your take mainly on Washington. If you can play them together. Yeah, I think that's where I'd rather do it. I think you had a good breakdown there and just sort of walked into it at the end. I think that was, you know, for me, it's based on pricing. It's twelve to to play both of those guys. It's seventeen K on the other side.

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Anything is possible, especially if it is the rain game and controlling it. I can see where the Giants are at home and need it. But then it's like you don't need then what don't you need then or what could you be leaving out? At least in the other side, you could say, OK, Washington controlling the game through the ground or at least start out that way. Then later Eckler needs to catch some passes. It doesn't get completely spread out on everything on this SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate.

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So if those guys just both have a touchdown or both have enough catches and yards and all that type of thing, it could add up. And then you're still able to afford the Nabers and the McCarthy's of the world and all the different things, however you want to build around that. So I think at least feels like you, I like how you said in my brain, at least it feels this way for me.

24:20

That's how I would think about it in just you know the early running I'll have to wait and see what the final runs of my lineups look like but that does make more sense to me just thinking about it out loud here hoop what about yourself on the double running backs and then just running back as a whole tonight yeah just on the Washington side I think you can do it because they both catch passes and they both are they both do a very good job of catching passes I mean there's a path for both of them to have three, four or five catches.

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So I think that's the reason why you can do it. And it's not as expensive. What'd you say? Twelve, twelve to four for the total price to play both of them. So, yeah, I think it's playable. I mean, if you're hand building a team or if I'm hand building a team, I'm not going to do it.

25:01

But if you're building a bunch of teams, I would allow it and definitely wouldn't allow it on the Giants side like no way it's like way too expensive so uh in terms of the position though overall um I think my favorite play by far is Austin Eckler or $4,600 getting a lot of work like title said he's out there quite a bit um he last week let's see he was got Eight carries, two catches. I mean, I think he's a really good play tonight.

25:30

So he's my favorite. Then it's going to be Skadaboo. And then Rashad White. And then, you know, the Singletary thing is a hundred percent dependent on what you think the ownership is. Like if it's upper teens to twenty-ish range, like just to me, unplayable. If he's in the single digits, yeah, you can take a stab at it, but it's a really...

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High price and I tend to agree though I don't think it's going to be sixteen seventeen range I think it's going to be more ten eleven-ish would be my guess just because everyone's going to get some ownership he's a name and that sort of thing so I don't know I mean clearly number four for me in terms of ranking those guys it's Eckler Skattebo white and then uh and then Singletary in that order Yeah, I think that's going to be about where I'm at.

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The same as you just broke it down and then the idea of that ownership. This is our initial run, so I'm assuming it'll come down once we get closer to the game. And you could see scat or those guys go up a little bit more just because if the weather becomes a bigger conversation, different changes like that. But for right now, feel identical to what you just went through and ran through at that position.

26:38

Like I said, he'd be four for me as well, but I get where people are – thinking about if you have a bigger take on that and you are playing Multi-EntryMulti-entry means entering more than one lineup into the same contest. A contest's entry limit, such as 3, 20 or 150, sets how many lineups one user can submit.Set your total spend for the slate first, then divide it into entries. Multi-entry should spread a fixed budget across more outcomes, not raise how much you put at risk.Read the full definition of Multi-Entry, whether it's twenty, fifty, one hundred, one fifty, whatever it might be, I would adjust the ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections on scat down and Singletary up and just balance it that way and then let yourself get a little bit more. But it'll then it'll put them into the lineups accordingly.

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And if you are using SaberSim with us over at Ship It Nation for Saber Score or Contest SimulationsSimulations play out a slate thousands of times using each player's range of outcomes, then record what happened. Contest sims go further and score your lineups against a simulated field to estimate how often they cash or win.Use sims to compare close decisions, not to replace your read. If a sim result surprises you, check the input that caused it before trusting it.Read the full definition of Simulations, et cetera, at least you're balancing it based on the actual projection change and you're not doing too much you're just robbing scat to pay Singletary it should be kind of where you're taking it from if you're doing something like that so I think that's the way to do it there hoop I'll go back to you you already had a good conversation around Nabers here um you know you mentioned Malachi Fields you've got diggs Williams burks no no injury designation some people were worried about him coming in but there's a bunch of

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Wide receivers just do you want to make any of them into value or what are you thinking here Yeah, so I'll start on the Washington side because just not a gripe but an annoyance. Last week I ended up getting on some Jayden Daniels stuff. I entitled you like Jayden Daniels. I know Rio liked Jayden Daniels. I ended up playing it and come to find out they're just going to pepper fucking Van Jefferson. Like, are you kidding me? That was like beyond.

27:56

It was a revenge game we found. We remembered because who the hell would ever remember that before the SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate starts beyond. Who are they playing? Oh, the Rams. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was beyond – I mean, the Jayden Daniels stuff didn't end up getting there. It didn't matter anyway. But, like, just, like, Van Jefferson, like, why? Like, bring back our other guy. Let it be MVS that does it to me, you know, three years later. Like, come on, why Van Jefferson?

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So that was pretty annoying. But, man, what was the stat line? Oh, yeah. Seven targets, five for fifty eight and a freaking touchdown. That was painful. OK, so we were all on Williams. Yeah, exactly. So step on digs, obviously. So I think a lot of these Washington receivers are just going to be better suited for the Jayden Daniels captain teams like digs overpriced at $9,200. Antonio Williams at $7,200 looks, you know, kind of overpriced.

28:56

Traylon Burks looks like a value at thirty six, you know, probably going to get more lineups with, you know, just him and not Jayden Daniels catching teams and. Man, if you are playing a lot of freaking Jayden Daniels' captain, I mean, I guess don't exclude Van Jefferson. Was somebody out last week? Is that why he played more or no? Yeah, Trelon Burks. Trelon was out. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so maybe not – I would still include him though, man.

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I mean, they probably think they found something last week in Van Jefferson. So if you are playing – Jayden Daniels captain teams I would include some some Van Jefferson uh but yeah like you know digs at ninety two Antonio Williams at seventy two those are big boy price tags and the ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections really don't match up with the price tag so again probably better suited for those uh you know jaden captain teams Love Nabers fields at $5,000.

29:47

I know Tambo, you briefly mentioned him when we were talking about the guys up top, but clearly the number two at this point, you know, five targets last week. That's not like a crazy high number, but we're seeing some consistency eight, five, five, the last three games in terms of targets. He's out there. He's going to get some opportunities, so I do like him quite a bit at that $5,000 price tag. You can include Mooney as well.

30:11

But again, I guess the main point for me, a lot of these wide receivers are probably better suited for the corresponding quarterback captains. Yeah. It's the, it's just like the fields one is mainly just because the price up top. And somebody said earlier too, like, I think if people, the thing about it up top is Likely is still $12,300. So you don't really get that much of everyone's like, is that going to steam because there's no value? Somebody asked.

30:36

It's, it's not that much different like if you can get to uh McCarthy up top you know obviously it's a it's less for Likely but it's only a thousand bucks give or take so you know all that type of stuff is what I'm looking at here rashad white is $11,400 all that when you look at fields up top it's $7,500 there's not many guys on the slate that you're gonna see the build flip with that even up top is almost $9,000 so outside of kickers and defenses which I believe did pretty well.

31:03

I had to miss on Monday. You know, appreciate you guys filling in with, without me there. But I think that was the night that you saw kickers and D's up top in some of these tournaments, right? With Tyler Bass and the Bills D and whatnot. So I don't know if that's going to be the case tonight. We'll get there later, but I'm just saying you don't really have much different there. I don't, I like that. He's been getting targets. I think that's good.

31:21

It's, it's more for me, the other side, like you said, does Van Jefferson, he was involved because Burks was out to title's point, but does he still stay involved? Do we go back to Burks? It's going to project better for Burks, but any Burks lineup could be Van Jefferson. So title, I'm interested to hear your thoughts there with the Washington side and anything else you want to add on the giant side of things.

31:39

Again, very limited value on this slate as a whole for these pass catchers, at least. And at running back Eckler, you can say, but after that, not much else. Yeah, it's definitely some guesswork, I guess, with the commander stuff since Van Jefferson did play well. Yeah, I don't think they're going to fully exclude him, but I'd be surprised if he was anywhere near the Burks snap count. I mean, Traylon Burks was good before he got injured.

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I think he had double-digit Fantasy PointsFantasy points are the score a DFS contest assigns to a player or team defense by converting real sports statistics and results through its scoring rules. Your lineup's total determines your contest ranking.Before trusting an average, check which games it includes and whether the player's role has changed. Separate repeatable opportunities from a few unusually productive games.Read the full definition of Fantasy Points in two or three games or three or four games or something, multiple red zone targets. When he is targeted, too, a lot of it is downfield, so he has big play potential. I'm definitely going to act like it's Traylon Burks and not Van Jefferson, and I'm going to hope Van Jefferson gets steamed maybe because people game log watch, and I probably will end up with zero. His receiving prop is seven and a half.

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They're literally saying, is he going to play or is he not? If he plays, he gets maybe one catch. Trill and Burks on the other side is twenty six and a half. So I feel much better there. It's always the same case for the Commanders. I pretty much am always underweight Diggs and overweight the other ones. The reason is, is like like the week prior and week eight, Burks and Diggs played the same amount of snaps.

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And then Antonio Williams out snapped all of them. Diggs just hovers around that sixty to sixty five percent mark. In terms of snap share, now when he is on the field, it's usually more passing downs. He's always just so expensive. He's burned me plenty of times, too, though. He has games. So I'll be overweight in Tony Williams, Traylon Burks, probably a little UnderweightYou are underweight in DFS when a player, team stack or lineup combination appears in a smaller percentage of your entries than in the contest field's entries.Compare the same contest, format and roster slot. Use projected ownership before lock, then check actual ownership afterward to see whether your intended underweight stance held.Read the full definition of Underweight on digs. And then going to the Giants side, nothing bad to say about Nabers.

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I do prefer him at captain, though, to flex. I mean, any receiver that's forty four percent Flex and UTILA standard NFL FLEX accepts a running back, wide receiver or tight end. In DraftKings NFL Showdown, FLEX instead means a regular-scoring slot alongside Captain, with broader eligibility that includes quarterbacks.Before lock, identify affordable replacements for your latest starter. An open FLEX or UTIL slot helps only if suitable unlocked players remain within your budget.Read the full definition of Flex and UTIL is. With J.J. McCarthy throwing in what could be a bad weather game, I wouldn't be shocked if Diggs or Antonio Williams or – Likely, if any of them, I would score him in a vacuum. Nabers is competing with a lot.

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So I would rather him fully get there or not play as much in flex and just hope he's not on optimal, which then leads me to liking Malachi Fields. He's my favorite Giants receiver. Darnell Mooney I have some interest in. It's never a fun claim, but another guy that's playing about fifty five percent of snaps and he's cheap enough to make the studs work up top.

33:51

And like we said the last part, it's like cheap enough because at the end of the day, we're going to have to fit. I mean, again, you mentioned earlier, not everybody's playing all these lineups and different portfolios and things like that, but you're going to have to take some uncomfortable shots on these guys if you want to have unique or more unique lineups tonight. You're not going to get away – with much up top playing the same captains as everybody else.

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So you can do it that way, like we talked about earlier, play different captains, leave money, all these different factors. But I think you are going to have to take some risks on the outsiders tonight, whether you like them or not, or you can argue all day about... You made a good point, too. You're going to have to take some risk or sort of guesswork with these Washington receivers. Yeah, you will.

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And that's kind of the benefit of the game and why we play it is if you can make that call and you make the right one, you could end up in a really good spot based off of that. So I think that's going to be the key tonight at the wide receiver position hoop. Kick it over to you at the tight end position. You talked about your boy Chig, Likely the top dog here. I mean, he's $8,200 in the flex.

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People are going to love playing him still. I think he's still pushing thirty percent plus Flex and UTILA standard NFL FLEX accepts a running back, wide receiver or tight end. In DraftKings NFL Showdown, FLEX instead means a regular-scoring slot alongside Captain, with broader eligibility that includes quarterbacks.Before lock, identify affordable replacements for your latest starter. An open FLEX or UTIL slot helps only if suitable unlocked players remain within your budget.Read the full definition of Flex and UTIL. He's going to be used up top, et cetera, et cetera. What's your thoughts at the tight end position tonight? Yeah, it's pretty clear for me here. I mean, I like jig quite a bit. That's no secret like him tonight and then Likely I mean, a. The price a little uncomfortable, but the ceilings big and another guy that I probably actually prefer more.

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In the Showdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown over flux, but I'm definitely going to play him in the flux as well. Just because of the price tag, we need a, we need a big performance. So it's like, all right, just get us all the way there. So prefer Likely in the captain, but a good with him in the flux, like chick a lot. And I'm not, I'm not really playing these cheap guys like Theo Johnson or John Bates. Don't have much interest in those guys.

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If you were going to play them again, it's probably better for the quarterback captain teams to play those fringe tight end plays, but a chick Likely in on both. Yeah, title, not too much to add in this one. I think the fringe guy is probably Theo Johnson, I guess, if it ends up being a thing just because he's way cheaper. Most people would be unlikely. It's just automatic LeverageLeverage is the edge you gain by rostering a play the field is underweight on, compared with how often it ends up in winning lineups. When that play outscores the popular option most lineups chose instead, you gain ground on those lineups, though the rest of your roster still decides where you finish.Look for leverage on players connected to the chalk, like the other side of a popular game or a teammate who can steal the popular player's touches.Read the full definition of Leverage if it somehow is him that catches a touchdown or something instead of these other guys.

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But it's not something I'm running out to just – jam in and say, I want a bunch of them or something like that. You know, Mooney is only, you know, four, what is he? Fourteen hundred more. And I think you'll have the money tonight to be able to find it. So I'd probably look for Mooney. I'll play Burks for sure over that spot. Again, not like you can't play both. I'm just saying in general thought conversation here.

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Give us your thoughts of the tight end position, though. To be honest, I'd probably play Jalen Hyatt at eight hundred over either of these two, which you're getting a zero almost every time. But if Hyatt like lose last week is like a sixty yard or if he does catch it, he's getting you at least five points. Then that one catch feels prop is three and a half yards. Like what's his touchdown prop? Plus nine hundred.

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These dudes just seem like you're you're completely donating money. I say that now they're going to somehow be on Optimal LineupAn optimal lineup is a legal roster that maximizes fantasy points under the salary cap and roster rules. After games, it uses actual scores; before games, a projected optimal uses estimated scores and any lineup restrictions you set.When reviewing an optimal, replace its most surprising scorer with a realistic pregame alternative. Check whether the remaining construction still offered a credible path to winning your contest.Read the full definition of Optimal Lineup. But now one of the few SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate I do not have interest in these backup tight ends. I feel like we've been all over backup tight ends. They've done well on showdowns, but I do like Likely and jig, though, for all the reasons that the backups aren't aren't noteworthy at all. Chig and Likely are mainly receivers on their team. Catch the ball, get upfield main targets.

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So I think they're they're both very good. Yeah, if we're not on it, usually it's because we don't have any interest in the nights we've had interest when we are on it, usually have been pretty good. So we'll see what ends up happening tonight. Obviously, any of these backups can get in. I think in the portfolio stuff, you'll see them in. But these are the lowest ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections and props and everything. It's all connected, obviously.

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But we haven't seen stuff like this pretty much all season. And there's not, again, people forget too, like it depends on how the game plays out. But if it plays out high scoring, you might not see these guys even with the touchdown because then there's high scoring means a bunch of guys probably got involved and it may not be them that's required. But even if it plays out low scoring, you've got kickers, defenses, quarterbacks, the top tier wide receivers, the top tight ends to account for that.

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So it's also the slate dynamics of how this game can play out where you might see a... I don't know, John Bates touchdown, and it still may not be required anywhere because it's just one touchdown, one catch, and usually we'll take it at that price, but just may not be the case depending on how the game plays out tonight. So hoop, kickers, and defense, as they said earlier, you can't wait to see these box scores on these kickers.

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So give us what you're thinking here at kicker right now in defense.

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We got some big boy numbers uh so zavada's coming off a seven team pointer uh four for four field goals obviously some extra points he also has a thirteen a fourteen into twelve on the season Stevens uh has been six or above like nothing below six which is kind of rare a lot of times you'll see like some stinkers in there like a two or three he's got a nine $11,700 eight seven sixteen eighteen so Not eighteen, eight, I believe, sixteen and then eight consistency from a kicker as well as I mean, both these guys in play.

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I mean, I, you know, more times than not, I'm always overweight on kickers. That'll be the case tonight. But I do actually like these defenses. As well, which is something I typically don't like. But a forty total here, a little bit of rain. I'm not saying it's going to impact things drastically, but a chance to make it more of an uglier sort of game.

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The prices are a little bit up, like $4,800 for the Giants, forty four for the Commanders OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership, you know, relatively in check. I think I'm going to be in on both defenses and both kickers kind of where I'm at. Yeah, anything you want to add to that there, Title? I just don't see how you can't really play all four of them. Like, yeah, I think you can leave money from Likely, from digs, from scats. Maybe even McCarthy. Like I, they're all priced pretty fairly.

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The kickers you hope maybe come back a little with weather that people are concerned, just two offenses that I don't deem to be very good in the red zone, either lower scoring games, points matter more. I expect both coaches pretty defensively sound or defensively focused coaches where they'll take their points when needed. And yeah, I mean, the Giants can get after the passer too. So I, I like all four of them and you can leave money with them. Go ahead. Who?

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Oh, So obviously I know we're transitioning to FanDuel after the kicker and defense. I just pulled it up. I think we might have one of the more egregious FanDuel price tags of the season tonight, boys. I got to hear it. I don't have anything else to add to kicker and D. I can promise you that. Like you said, at the end of the day, I guess maybe the only thing I would add is that people might overweight the weather. We'll see.

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Like, let's say, oh, you know, it's going to be too wet out or whatever. They can't do it. And that's just usually better to have even more of it all because they'll go to the defenses instead of the kickers or something. But I think the kickers are fine as usual. Who just broke it down there. What do we got on FanDuel? I wanted to see if anyone in the chat posted it in there first, but it looks like not going to happen.

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This player, all right, let's see who can guess it first. This player is $7,600. OK, this guy is a pass catcher coming off a big game last week. Oh, my God. Van freaking Jefferson at $7,600. That's got to be up there is one of the worst of the season, right? I want to meet who does the pricing. It doesn't make any sense, though. Antonio Williams is the exact same price on both sites. Traylon Burks, very similar.

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Usually it's more like you got the dig situation is the $9,200 on DraftKings. $10,800 on FanDuel makes sense. But man, that is crazy. $7,600 on big boy Van Jefferson. Man, want to be ContrarianA contrarian play or lineup is one built around choices most of the field will not make, such as low-owned players, unpopular teams or an unusual salary structure.Pick one or two contrarian spots per lineup and ground each in a real reason. The rest of the roster can look like the field.Read the full definition of Contrarian tonight. There's your answer. The rest of it, yeah, like Diggs at $10,800. That's a tough one. Rashad White, $10,200. That's also very difficult. Do you want Van Jefferson in the MVP, or do you want Isaiah Likely?

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It's only five hundred bucks extra or something like that. Which do you prefer? It's just got to be so... They're obviously going off last week's stats heavily weighted in a huge way. Like, That is a wild one. Let's see what else we got on here. Jig is less. Jig is four hundred bucks less over there. Jig price tag fifty four. That's that is super tasty. Field four six. You like fields. That's a good price tag for six for field. So definitely like him.

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Devin Singletary at eight eight. That's a. Another tough one to kind of get to. Traylon Burks, $4,000. So a lot of the value is relatively similar when you start going down. But like Diggs, Rashad White, Van Jefferson, tough price tags on FanDuel compared to DK. They like the kickers and Ds over there, too. The prices are, you know, $6,800 for the Giants kicker, $6,600 for the Giants D.

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They're all priced up, you know, almost $7,000. It's normal pricing, but it's like that's the difference that you see over there a lot more. So I don't think. Yeah, I don't think you're going to see too many people. But I guess, you know, you look at it the other way, too. Obviously, we're making fun of Van Jefferson for good reason, but I don't think a lot of people are going to play. We'll see.

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But Antonio Williams, I'd say $7,200, even though it's a good deal over there compared to DraftKings. And you look at it from like, how could someone play Van Jefferson? I think the decisions will be more in the range of the kickers and defenses when people get there, as opposed to somebody like him. So when people like us sit on a stream and make fun of shit, it's true for good reason.

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But it's you know, if you're trying to see between the tea leaves and look at it, it's like you also want to think about it from the SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate perspective. If you actually think Antonio Williams is a good play or mediocre or whatever, just much, much better than Jefferson. And you know, more people are going to land on the kickers.

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Then I would be, but how, you can use Antonio Williams to your advantage as opposed to you know just the joke and the fun of making fun of Van Jefferson's price which is great in itself but just that's how I'd be looking at it for for FanDuel anything you saw there differently title or anything else you want to add yeah I mean the lack of value there's no one I even deem playable under trail on burks at $4,000 burks the kicker is gonna have to land in that mentioned on draft king the mid-tier captains a little bit I even like mid-tier captains more on FanDuel than DraftKings just because it gets you on a different build while you're still playing players that you know have potential to get points.

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Instead of playing a Van Jefferson or Bates or a Theo Johnson or whatever, I want to play those good guys, but instead of playing Nabers, McCarthy, Jayden Daniels up top like almost everyone's going to do, I'll take a chance on a lower-owned captain who can still play all the other ChalkChalk is the most popular, highly owned play on a slate. The term comes from sports betting, where the favorite is called the chalk.Don't label chalk good or bad. Ask whether each popular play deserves its ownership, then decide which chalk you'll eat and which you'll fade.Read the full definition of Chalk or somewhat guys around that are ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections real points and just play it in a different way.

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So it's going to be really concentrated, I think, on FanDuel due to the lack of value with how pricing is. But also Singletary is still the same play on FanDuel's DraftKings. You're Spending UpSpending up means choosing a higher-priced player over a cheaper alternative, using more of your lineup's salary budget at that spot. You may also hear it called paying up.Build a version with your preferred expensive player and another without. Before choosing, check whether either version relies on a cheap player whose expected role still depends on unresolved injury news.Read the full definition of Spending Up to be contrarian, but he – I mean, what is he right now? He's plus – Plus, two seventy five to score. And someone mentioned like last week, like, oh, you got twenty touches, only scored four points and he had OwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership.

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Hey, if you've been around long enough, usually that means when he burns everyone, it comes back. But it also just means we play a week to week NFL terms day to day game for Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS)Daily fantasy sports (DFS) are fantasy contests that last a single day, week or event. You pick a new lineup under a salary cap, players score fantasy points from real stats, and you win cash based on your finish.Start with low buy-in cash games while you learn pricing and roster rules. They give steadier feedback than big tournaments, where long losing streaks are normal even for good players.Read the full definition of Daily Fantasy Sports. Like you just got to scrap scrap everything that happened last week. So, yeah, but the mid-tier captains, I think, are even more interesting on FanDuel. Yeah, I think that's a good call-out. The chat was saying, too, speaking of call-outs, it was a little staticky and lagging.

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I don't see it or we don't see it, but we apologize if you guys are seeing it out there. For you guys, is it clean right now? We're all coming through good to each other, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Usually we've had some issues with that in the past and saw, but apologies said better now from Jordan over there.

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Did do some updates to the site as well for members like if you guys haven't seen it since we're on here might as well run through it but if you go to the stone uh we're not going to be updating the stone as much anymore for like new updates all that is being poured into the stone but obviously we did do so we added the game board you can quickly search a player you can download the pdf still you can see we've updated the fonts and made some changes just basic stuff But on the Stone 2.0 point oh, we have the you know, and this will be more for main stuff, but you can exclude all include turn on, turn off whatever you want to do there.

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You can have the heat map back. If you like the old style, you can turn it off. If you want to look at the new every single thing is sortable. You've got the hand builder right here. You can optimize to see what you're up against first based on our data and ProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections. You can convert from all these things. You can save your lineups. Sort them by the newest or top projected.

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And you can even download the CSV old school style, copy paste, take it right over, upload from there to the app, whatever you guys want to do. So a lot of changes going on over at the nation, but everything is there across the top. You can see it'll be the same for classic this week when we're going to roll it out as well. For those not yet in the NBA streets, doing a ton over there as well.

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Rio and title Belman, the rest of the crew, ham, et cetera, BBG, little neck, everybody that's doing the content over there. But the usage bump tool is, Really cool. I think we're going to have some freebies coming up soon so people can check this out and get in on the action of like, if this, then that, like what's the news that could happen? The what if scenarios had another member win $100,000 Alex hit us up over the email.

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I posted on my ex account, the main account reposted it, but pretty cool to see, you know, another $100,000 shipper for the NFL NBA streets, which usually, you know, we're focused, you know, people see us all in NFL and golf, but the NBA streets really been popping up there now too, to start the season. Go ahead. Nah, they just got Jensen Wang for a third, man. That dude's more active than Tiger Woods in his prime. Geez, no way. Yeah, there's another employee over there.

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I mean, he's, whew, dude's slinging it. Man, that leather jacket, it's unstoppable, man. Isn't that crazy? People will throw away their whole life for some puss.

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Yeah the other thing is talking about a

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Whole lot I mean he's worth billions like

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That's gonna be that's gonna be at least he still has that to fall back and I guess that's the the silver lining yeah what's it matter when you're splitting billions into billions I guess that's how he's looking at it but I don't know man crazy I will mention uh about uh yeah NBA it's not I mean NBA is phenomenal the prizes are great and all that but but as a DFS fan if you guys have not tried to venture out college football is going on NASCAR MMA golf I'm in the golf streets I love sweating golf one of my favorite sports it's more fun when NFL's not going prizes are bigger and there's nothing else to worry about but if you're a DFS fan and want to try

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Like that's the great thing about Ship It Nation, the low price you can get all these sports, but yeah, NFL, college football, PGA, NBA, MMA, NASCAR, and NHL. If you like baseball for anyone out there, NHL is literally just like baseball. NBA is not for everyone. Trust me. It's a grind. It's late night, Late SwapIn NFL contests with late swap, you can change unlocked afternoon or evening players after earlier games begin. Only games included in that contest's player pool are available.Before the first games lock, identify affordable backup combinations for your later players. Check that each combination fits the open positions, then confirm your saved changes in every affected entry.Read the full definition of Late Swap and all that. If you like something more easier to do and just stacking and having to know nothing about a sport, hockey is very similar to baseball.

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So yeah, yeah, I just recommend people to, if you're struggling in a certain sport or this or that Bankroll ManagementBankroll management is how you size your DFS spending relative to the money you have set aside to play, called your bankroll, so normal losing streaks do not wipe you out.Write down your per-slate limit before the season starts. Spending rules are much easier to keep when you set them before a losing streak, not during one.Read the full definition of Bankroll Management, diversifying, I recommend trying some other stuff and you can fall in love with some different sports. Yeah. You made me think about, I had to go check it. I think Novak battled back a little bit today. We're all in the golf streets for the swing season. And yeah, he said Jensen used the usage bump tool on his employees.

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I was going to pull that one up too. That's too good. If you guys go to the site, one quick note, just like to title's point there, and you're unsure, this is another note. Just go to ShipmentNation.com. You can now click just see plans and pricing. You can go right.

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For free the Discord is always bumping it's completely premium as well so nobody in the Discord is unpaid which is nice when you're looking for a community that actually helps each other cares rallies around each other supports and look at the giveaways that we've been posting over the past few weeks those are from members and the best was uh I didn't dunk on this Person because I don't like to do that but someone was like oh you rely on your community to do all these giveaways like no we're We appreciate it and we are extremely grateful, but we're hammering $48,000 or $45,000 over the top.

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And I'm guessing the company that you're with, if any, that is and not just some random troll that they're not giving away anything. And it's because they're just collecting it and putting that money to their bottom line. So, yeah, we are giving back plenty ourselves, but it speaks to the community at Ship It Nation, just how proud we are and just love Ship It Nation.

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The support and super grateful and blessed to have people that support us and support each other and it's been fun watching people get into the fifteen hundred dollar tournament for a main event when they never play more than like a hundred and fifty bucks a week now they're in a ten x buy in the tournament to play

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And like stuff like that is phenomenal just to watch people play it out and go through it all and have members sweating the millies and rio just won the milli like we've got all kinds of fun stuff going on over at the nation so I'm very happy k-nine Broncos is very speaking very happy very happy here glad I made the switch we appreciate you man for sure but um yeah we're down to help anybody out that we can if you want it you'll hit me up even on x at ToeTagginTambo ask me any questions you got info at shipitnation.com for the main email but the promo for rest of season NFL is the best way to check stuff out get involved playoffs super bowl

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Everything included and then make your decision from there if you want to upgrade pro rate at any time you can do you can do so Title already added to it. Hoop, anything you want to add there? Anything else you want to talk about before we get out of here? No, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's a community, great community feel. You know, that's one thing we built from the beginning, wanted to make it an all-inclusive community feel focused on DFS, great community, obviously.

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And, you know, the giveaways are just an added bonus. Like no one has to do that. These are people that want to give back and help out others. So proud to be a part of it and we'll continue to build and we'll start week ten out on a strong note tonight. Yeah, it's been fun.

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I think a lot of the comments in the Discord, at least in the YouTube channel and members know, but we've said from day one, when Hoop and I first kicked it off, Title was there like two minutes after we started this thing. He's been there as well. And it was like, man, we are going to continue to improve and add on. That's all we've done. It's not just the exterior of the website. We showed the internals.

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There's going to be some stuff upcoming with some promos. And everyone knows I'm the king of the tees, but Who and I have never teased something and not followed through on it. And we've got more coming your way. It'll be close to the end of NFL season, but there's a lot of fun stuff just around the corner. You know, with everything we've got going on here at the nation hoop, we did get one though. End of, and you'll get you, get you guys both in on this.

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Wings and things and what do they say these heroes even though it's like gyro or whatever euros euros euro whatever you want to call this thing or something Nashville hot chicken by the way hattie bees you you know hattie bees right yeah I've never had that before but like the hot chicken thing is becoming a trend for sure like there's a lot of different ones there's like Houston hot chicken dave's hot chicken there's a bunch of them Uh, so what's, is this a question or just like, well, I'm trying to figure it out too.

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What's wings and things here right quick. How do you read this one title? What, what's going on here? Exactly. I have no clue how I like wings and things. I don't know what, and the wings and things of the restaurant. I think it's not in Canada that I know of, but at least down there. Okay, wings and things. How does that have anything to do with a gyro? So maybe he's saying wings and things or gyro or something Nashville hot? I don't know how wings and things.

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If it is the question out of all these things, I'm taking wings and things. I prefer wings over the gyro, and I prefer wings over the hot chicken trend. So I'm taking wings and things, if that is a question. Yeah, he just had a safety meeting, and he's just typing it all out right now. Everything sounds good to him. He's debating what to get for lunch. Whatever we say, he's grabbing. Do you guys like Raising Cane's? That's a good question.

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I just actually ordered it for poker yesterday. I'm not a fan. I think it's overrated. It's basic. If we have to pick up something quick, what do you want? He's saying raisin canes. He loves it. He's very picky. He's a freaking pole. It's the only thing that he'll eat a ton of. He'll hammer these chicken tenders. Anytime he wants it, I get it for him. He probably drinks the sauce. He probably doesn't care about the chicken. He loves the sauce.

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Well, he really likes the, he loves lemonade. So they have the fresh squeezed lemonade there as well. So like we, I do, we do end up getting raising canes quite a bit. It's basic though. It's like, give me like a, if you're a chicken tender place, like give me a salad as an option, like where you chop it up and put on the salad. It's just like, you either get the sandwich or you get the tenders, nothing else. Yeah.

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You just remind me of a funny story from back in the day. I got two things quick. One, the Todd Graves, the CEO of Raising Cane's. There's some awesome interviews on him. I think he's a dude that owns like the whole stock or like ninety percent of it. He cares deeply about this business. So title, you should hit him up, man. He'll give him some feedback. He'll take it very seriously for many of the interviews I've watched.

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But you remind me of the funniest thing ever, who when I used to work, this is eight years ago, ten years ago. Now I was working in the auto industry and it's just when you're doing the sales. I was, I was a finance manager at the time. You get like, yeah, you get like no time to really break free for lunch.

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And it's just a known thing that a lot of people in the auto industry, they're a little bit overweight because you're just, you know, you're grinding sales all day or you're in the back in service. Like you just never take a break. So they just eat fast food like crap. Yeah. Eating like crap. And there's a Wendy's down the street, which everybody knows Wendy's.

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So it's like, you know, people are going there and they're getting their baconators and double bacon cheeseburgers with the fries and you name it. And then one dude says, I'm going on a diet this week. Screw all this shit. He's like, it's over. I'm serious this time. And we're like all taking him serious and sees what he does. Day one, buddy walks in with a Wendy's bag. Dead serious, though. And we're like, oh, the diet died on day one. He's like, diet didn't die?

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I'm like, what do you mean? You're eating Wendy's. He's like, bro, salad. He pulls out the salad to what you talked about. It's got breaded chicken breast all on top. It's the spicy chicken breast cut down on the salad. This man pulls out not one, but two Caesar dressing packs at the top of it.

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Dumps the whole thing on grabs the second one does it again you pick up the pack there's thirty six grams of fat in each of those and like four hundred calories the man got eight hundred calories in sauce on his on his salad bowl but he thinks he's eating a salad it's a breaded chicken salad bowl with more than a baconator on it in sauce and he's on his diet that's the the funny thing about these restaurants when they do just get you a salad in there you know what I mean Yeah, a lot of times the salad's worse than the actual sandwich or anything.

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I have a similar story. So I have a buddy. This was, oh my gosh, years ago, probably early twenties. And he was always a bigger guy, not fat, but just he's thick. I played basketball with him in high school. He's a good athlete, but just like a bigger guy. He's always battling to try to lose some weight. So he got on this diet. I think, what was it called? Like the Atkins diet where you just eat meat or something. I think it is.

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It's like a caramel dressing. Carb diet, yeah, for sure. Yeah, so he's like, all right, we got to grab something to eat. It's around dinner time. He was driving, so he rolls into McDonald's. I was like, dude, I said, what the hell are you going to get from McDonald's that's going to fit into this diet?

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So he goes to the drive-thru and orders like It was a crazy amount, like four or five cheeseburgers and opens them up and just takes the buns and puts the buns in the bag and just eats the patties from McDonald's. I was like, this is your diet to eat McDonald's hamburger patties. He's like, yeah, man, it's like, it's all, you know, the breading is the worst part. You know, this is going to be good for it.

58:41

Like you're going to lose zero pounds eating McDonald's hamburger patties, bro. I said, it ain't going to work. I can tell you that much. That's the keto diet right now. Like when people talk about keto, there's obviously you can do it with like, you know, almonds and avocado and salmon and like all these things that are good fat, still protein. Like, yes, in certain limits and you're tracking your macros and there's intakes of them that you can do.

59:08

But a lot of people on the quote unquote keto diet, It's like, oh, I'm having a bacon-wrapped cheeseburger for lunch, and it's just no bun. I'm putting it in a piece of lettuce. And then for suppertime, it's like chicken wings dipped in ranch sauce with all this other stuff. But they're fully keto because there's no carb in those foods that I'm mentioning. But it's all like the bacon-wrapped, greasiest, cheesiest, saltiest, everything you need. That's the thing that kills me.

59:32

These people come up with all these different diet things. Like nothing will ever – and Titles is going to agree with this, I know. Nothing will ever replace – physical exercise. Like you just like that's if you are trying to lose weight, you have to do implement some sort of workout routine. And then the diet part to me is secondary, like it's more portions, control your portions, exercise, and you have a fucking chance at that point. I would love to know. I'm not trying to claim nothing here.

1:00:00

I don't need to say, do you need to say like a not financial advice version of like not dietary advice? I first off don't give a shit, but second of all, very curious what is incorrect. Keto diet will put you, what is that? It will put you in ketosis. That's what it is. We were saying that. I don't know what part he's saying incorrect, but that's why people are feeling good about it because they're saying, I'm still eating keto.

1:00:22

I'm just saying, tell me the part about- Yeah, yeah. No, I think he was talking about, the one I was talking about is the carnivore diet. I think it used to be called Atkins. I'm relatively, I'm pretty certain that was like the Atkins diet that everyone's going on where it was just- I could be wrong. He sounds like a book. Chris knows what he's talking about.

1:00:41

I'm just saying like, you see this one all the time, but this is my prime example of like the keto example. When you see the reels on Facebook and all this bullshit, people are on carnivore and they're eating like a steak with eggs, with avocado, with whatever else. Like it looks like, yeah, it could be very healthy if you just eat that and move on.

1:00:59

What I'm seeing is people eating like appetizers from a christmas party or whatever holiday you celebrate like it's like a Buffalo cheese dip with no crackers and then it's like a bacon wrapped cheeseburger yeah they're still eating shit but just saying all right now I'm not eating carbs so it's not eating a bunch of shit but just clearly no car no cars it's just it's all a mental game for people to make them feel better by themselves whereas the one uh Jordan had one up here b-dubs or wing stop B-dubs used to be a hot thing.

1:01:31

I don't think you can eat B-dubs anymore. It's so bad. So I would default to anything besides B-dubs. The thing I hate about B-dubs, I'd always get the, what do you call them, the boneless wings. And they're good. They're decent. But now it's just all breading. There's literally no chicken in the B-dubs boneless wings. So it's like, I'm out, man. No more B-dubs. I haven't been there in years, B-dubs. What is that one again? What's it stand for? Buffalo Wild Wings.

1:02:00

Buffalo Wild Wings. I don't think we have that here either, but I know every time we go down to the Scates to these different places, it's a popular one for people to go to. Yeah, at Raising Cane's, it's like two things. You either get the wings, you get the chicken tenders, or you get the chicken tender sandwich. And all the sandwiches is like three chicken tenders. In a hamburger bun with the sauce on it. So it's like no different at all.

1:02:23

But places, those places are always jammed, man. There is always people waiting for Raising Cane. They said they agreed with you there. Nades also had to take just eat great food, drink great bourbon, enjoy life, F all this stuff. Like that's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's an approach. That's not the approach title takes, but that, that is, that is an approach. Yeah. Not, not the biggest drinker, but I do other things to supplement that.

1:02:46

I mean, if you really want the raising canes right now, you said at the poker tables, you're not eating the same. Yeah. They ordered it in for everyone. I had like one and I was like, yeah, this is bad. If someone wants to lose weight, you burn more calories than you take in, but you just, I think intermittent fasting is probably the best. Like I don't eat until noon. Don't eat after seven PM or six when your metabolism slows. You can still get two full meals there.

1:03:12

I'm no expert. I still won't forget when Tambo trucked me on that because I was calling it intermediate fast. I've been calling it intermediate fasting forever, and he nailed the hammer right on me real quick. I still remember that. Hey, you'll go to your death bed. Cause I was saying, it's crazy. I abide by that too. Like I, I don't, I eat lunch at noon and I eat dinner at six Eastern. And then this is why I said, this is why I clarified.

1:03:37

I am not an expert. I listen to book Chris. What's your advice, Chris? I want a quick one. I want to bring Chris on the show. Send the link. Yeah, we'll send you the link. We want the playbook for a healthy lifestyle, right? Either type it in the chat. I want to get my take because he asked me on mine. So I'm down thirty pounds right now. What I started at. But it's been eighteen months or something, right? Like it's a long ass time.

1:04:05

And I can tell you that. That's a lot of what title says. So I eat between eleven and seven or eleven and eight. So it's really it's kind of that window of eight to nine hours. That's mainly what I do. Get good sleep, go in the sauna, go to the gym. I got two to three weightlifting per week and then two to three cardio. So I'm a day or two off that I don't do anything to rest and then move on from there.

1:04:29

And then I just eat, I track my macros for like the first year and now I just kind of know what it is, but it was basically just blending the ability to eat everything. I had fats, carbs, proteins. I wasn't doing no crazy fad diet. It would just be some substitutions and stuff where people would say like, you're not gonna eat this, amazing thing we're eating tonight, I would bring my own food, chicken and rice or whatever.

1:04:50

It was like, I'm just kind of plain, but I don't mind it. And once it becomes a lifestyle, it's not a diet anymore. When I just wake up and have egg whites with a couple whole eggs, some spinach, some extra lean ground turkey, a piece of sourdough toast, a little peanut butter, all natural, that's my setup. That's my breakfast. I don't feel like that's a diet. That's just what I like to eat for breakfast. So that's what I think it is.

1:05:14

You just got to do that. Yeah. I mean, so he's, he's saying kind of, I mean, of course you need food. Like what you put in your body matters. You need protein. So I don't know where, what we're saying where it's all off, but all I can tell you is that, you know, another thing that people don't value is like a lot of people do it just for looks or whatever else. But I think the health aspect is what you really should be focused on.

1:05:36

You know, some of the bigger wins along my journey, obviously it's nicer to look better in the mirror and feel better and all this type of stuff. I'm Never been one to have a lack of confidence, even when I was overweight. So, you know, that wasn't my problem. But I will say getting like really good blood test results or going in for scans and be like, man, you're like this much healthier now and seeing all that stuff along the way. You sleep better?

1:05:58

I think so for sure yeah like I focused on it as as a thing so I definitely do overall I'm not going to bed at two a.m every night or anything like that like I did at one point but also that just is a product of getting older as well too when you've got kids and a wife and things like that you're just you know eventually it's just bedtime got to go to bed so you're also on the worst time zone for man I think central is even bad when I go back for DFS like I could I'm in the nut spot but man DFS the later eastern when you go to yours even worse than east coast that's what I

1:06:28

Mean you're the worst worst one thirty in the morning and I hate that so sometimes I don't uh I was going along with our guy until he crapped on us intermittent fasting isn't good like I've only heard good things about it like it's literally only I haven't heard anyone say it's bad Hey, I'm not an expert. Maybe book Chris is right. Got here too. We apologize.

1:06:49

But what we do is at the end of the shows and somehow more people join us than it's out, which is crazy. But once we're done, we broke the whole SlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate down. We put timestamps on it. You can go back and check and do all that. But yeah, just talking about whatever at the end. Seamus Power, WD. That's not good. That's fine. I don't got any, so that's fine. I don't think he was doing that well anyway, but still. That – was it Benjamin James or whatever?

1:07:15

That guy's a stud, hey? Well, yeah, but you're talking about Blades Brown beating him. Yeah, yeah. Benjamin James, Blades Brown. Yeah, Blades Brown. That's who I'm thinking. Yeah, he got a pretty crazy story. People just call him like a rich kid and country club guy, but there's a real cool post around it and just like all the stuff. It's like you can only – yes, there's certain advantages you get from that angle. For sure.

1:07:35

What the hell can he do when he's born into it? What is it? He just – A lot of people have had that and are nowhere near anything. He still had to work hard. That's what people talk about. He still had to go and work. It doesn't give him the gift to just do this. People get good coaches and good everything and then don't listen and then don't turn into anything.

1:07:51

This guy is an absolute stud to fire that number on Sunday, get into the playoff, then roll it out and take down. And Ben James is the man too, by the way. That's who he was up against in the playoff. But yeah, Blades Brown, definitely not a surprise for a lot of people that follow the golf world. Did he say? We'll get out of here in a second anyway, but did he say what's bad about it? No. No, no, no.

1:08:14

I've only heard good about it, so I don't know. I'm sticking with it. Everyone's body is different. That's the main thing. You feel good. You're happy with yourself. This guy, G-Rod's the man. He didn't even care. He just goes, thanks, fellas. By the way, men shouldn't diet unless you're born fat. Just talk to her a few days like Jesus. It is funny how many people have an opinion on this stuff. Man, we're not selling fitness, though. Chris, that's the thing.

1:08:44

He said, want to bet my last client lost twenty five pounds in one month. We definitely we appreciate it. I mean, we're being serious. I just I don't know. Like what what is the reason you're saying intermittent fasting is not good? Well, I don't know. I'll have to talk about that in the next one. But. Dana White's kid. Dana White likes fasting. Speaking of Dana White. Yeah, he did like the seventy seventy two hour water fasts and turning on. What's that?

1:09:10

That other one called we're talking about going into ketosis. This is totally different when you activate like, oh, it's like, man, it's like five. What was seventy two hour fast activates? What? What's it called again? Autophagy. Yeah, right. What do you know about that book, Chris? Tell us. I want to know about autophagy because it's twelve to twenty four hours. The ketosis begins twenty one to forty eight. The autophagy and then forty two to seventy two hours.

1:09:41

The immune system and cellular regeneration. And these are studies from USC Leonard Davis School of Gerontology. So got to talk about that for a little bit next time. Next time. Any, any final thoughts title before we get out of here? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a solid slate to put it all. I mean, yeah, it's fun talking this stuff and Hey, everyone knows like, yeah. But Chris, I appreciated your insight and everyone else here.

1:10:10

Just if you feel good, confident in yourself, you look good and whatever, then yeah. Life's good. We usually do. We usually do stick to what we know. That's for sure. But at the end, we have a little fun with it. That's why we just save it for the end. It's going to have more of it, too, because Thanksgiving's coming up pretty soon. So we're going to have to bring bring up the the food stuff. We'll lock in on the food stuff.

1:10:32

One of these shows will save ten or fifteen minutes because that one people are passionate about. And they all hate my takes. You do it when you're sleeping already. And then you should stop. Like I said, that's what I do. I stop around seven or eight, but then I might just not eat until eleven the next morning or something like that. It's just typically the way I've set it up. I'll do like eleven, two, five, seven or something like that.

1:10:53

Like it just kind of way the way it shapes out. Start with the protein. Be full. Like, I don't know, just start.

1:10:58

Serving portion sizes all that stuff once you get used to it that's the thing it's like anything else once you go off of it it's easy to fall off the wagon once you go on it it's easy to stay on the wagon it just you know it is tough I know there's lots of temptation out there we talked about jensen wang think about the food man when someone's on a diet and they see all these different food places cruising down the strip really hard not to stop in and get something so yeah all right hoop anything else you want to add man if not we'll get out of here No, good luck to everyone tonight.

1:11:29

Yeah, week ten starts strong. Week ten? What's the line for this one? I'm done today. I can't do it. So, yeah, this is good stuff. We appreciate you guys. Thank you for watching. For Hoop, for Title, for myself, ToeTag, and Tambo, good luck in your contest tonight. Let's ship it!

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