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I just teased it off the top because all the articles and posts and everything out there says like Bo Nix sucks. Sean Payton didn't do shit. And all this stuff, by the way, is true through five weeks. Like nothing really happened and has went well for the Broncos. But why is the game just a two and a half spread here? You know, you got the Seahawks, the defending Super Bowl champions, et cetera, et cetera.

So give us your grand scheme overview on it and then we'll break it down from a DFS perspective as usual. Yeah, I mean... The total is low. I mean, the total is is is forty. So I mean, the Broncos can still win this game. It's it's basically a coin flip and it be a low scoring game, which the, you know, the total indicates sitting at right around forty.

And I guess the one thing with the Broncos is this isn't just like a this season thing. They've been pretty difficult for fantasy purposes. Dating back to last year as well. And they continue to mix in a lot of different guys, a lot of different pass catchers. I mean, just look at their box scores. You see like five or six guys that have rushing attempts. You see seven or eight guys that end up catching passes on any given game. It just happens a lot.

So it makes it pretty difficult for fantasy purposes. On the Seattle side, it's been basically all JSN. And whichever running back is healthy and playing. I mean, the one nice thing about Seattle at the running back position, Emmanuel Wilson has had twenty plus touches in back to back games like he's getting a ton of work. And that's one thing to definitely appreciate.

Uh take note of when when building teams uh tonight because you want guys that are going to get the volume and emmanuel Wilson stands out to me as a guy that you know because of his price probably comes in his ownershipOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership will will come in check because he is ninety six $9,400 if you play him in the the captain um I don't have that price tag in front of me but it's uh manuel Wilson is fourteen yeah $14,100 they're like people aren't gonna feel comfortable really clicking on that, but he's getting a lot of work.

So it's a difficult game to kind of project where the fantasy points come from just because of the uncertainty. Like I said, on the Denver side specifically, I know a lot of people had high hopes for Shahid this year. I always kind of relate it to basketball because you can kind of see where people were projecting these guys, and a lot of people were taking Shahid earlier than I thought. He's a gimmicky player and he continues to be a gimmicky player.

He's not going to be a seven catch for a seventy yard sort of guy. But this is a slateSlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate where I think you find your advantages in building teams and going, OK, I have.

Jaylen Waddle in here uh at $9,000 well instead of Jaylen Waddle at $9,000 I'm just going to go down and take the Broncos defense for about half the price and just leave that extra salary on the table like those are the sort of things you should be looking to do like the the projectionsProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections on these guys fall off a cliff after the main guys you look at jsn we haven't met You know, twenty one and a half fantasy points.

Darnold, you know, between fifth. Well, we got to make like seventeen. Bo Nix, fifteen. And then you go down to Manuel Wilson around twelve. Then it falls off to Waddle and then everyone else is under double digits. So like that's where you can really make these big, drastic drop offs. To in terms of swaps and just leave the money on the table and kind of get unique this way.

Like this isn't a slate where you want to, in my eyes, fill out the salary and take it all up. You want to leave chunks. You want to make your team. You want your team to look ugly when it's all said and done. I just feel very confident in the fact there's going to be something weird on the winner and people are going to look at it. And be like, oh, that looks nasty.

So that's how I want to build my teams tonight. The captain conversation is obviously going to be difficult because there's one guy in this game that stands out. JSN, absolute stud, one of the top three wide receivers in football, probably been the best this year. Like everyone's going to want to click that name and rightfully so. But the big question is, what do you do after that? Unless you just go all in and say it's a JSN night.

If you feel confident about it, say it's a JSN night. I think he's going to be the optimal captain. Give me every combination after that. I'd be fine with something like that. But if someone's playing one-fifth, you probably want to spread it out a little bit more. So the big question is, what do you do after JSN? That's the easy click. Yeah, I'm interested to hear title when we get to it.

I'll let you start off captains with this thought, but I had somebody the other night for the DFS Mastermind round table said, can you tell me how I played a hundred and fifty puka captains and lost money? And they did. It was almost break even. They were into the mini max. They had seventy five bucks in. They got sixty six bucks out, I think. So it's like they were pretty much break even.

On the night, but I will say this and every slateSlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate's different. Like Hoops said, there's a lot of options you can go to on this one, but what happened with them is essentially with all the Puka, it meant, you know, very little Stafford, you know, or like Stafford in the flex, obviously, but I mean, overall on the grand scheme, didn't have any of that. Didn't have Williams, didn't have much Devante. Like you ended up needing a lot of that stuff packaged together.

Plus mixed with the other side, and they were just way underweight, and they were more on the stars, scrubsStars and ScrubsStars and scrubs is a DFS lineup structure where you spend heavily on several expensive players and fill other roster spots with low-salary players. The cheap players free up salary for the stars; they are not necessarily bad players.Compare the points you gain by upgrading to a star with the points you sacrifice at the cheap spot. Check whether both players still fit your lineup's scoring scenario.Read the full definition of Stars and Scrubs, and nothing up the middle. So how are you thinking about the captaincy? Yeah, just to add on to that point, because I know a lot of people have frustration with stuff like that. It's very common in showdownShowdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown. If you're playing one-fifty and you don't have the winner, you're probably losing money. That's just how it goes because all the chops are top.

So if you don't have the winner, it doesn't matter. You're probably going to lose money. That's just the nature of the game if you are one-fifty. Yeah, a hundred percent. And again, that's where people think like, as we say it all the time, you in the golf DFS streets, I always try and bring it a little bit to there. It's my roots, but just noting it, it's like, I'm going to play Scott in a hundred percent of lineups. Great.

But you need to fill out the five other spots. And what if the valueValueValue is the fantasy production you expect from a player relative to his salary. A value play offers more production or upside than his price suggests, whether he is cheap or expensive.Identify why the salary looks wrong: workload, matchup, scoring ability or a pricing error. Then check whether that reason still holds when you submit your lineup.Read the full definition of Value plays all suck this week? Well, that's why the flip side of it, when people are like, well, Scott Shuffler needs to win at that price. Well, no. What if the $9,000 and $10,000 guys suck and all the value guys crush, he could come fifth and you could still have some great lineups.

So how are you handling jsn is how I'll start at title and then I'll let you get to the other captains you want to talk about but just that jsn thought it could be you know we've got him thirty to thirty five range right now for captain I'll probably at least be with that or over the field I think I can get different enough in the flex I was Sunday night I was like eighty five percent bijan and lately I haven't won fifty and I've been doing like seventy five to eighty five today I think I'm gonna do more we'll see if I get to the full one fifty It's just really hard for me to take

A significant underweightUnderweightYou are underweight in DFS when a player, team stack or lineup combination appears in a smaller percentage of your entries than in the contest field's entries.Compare the same contest, format and roster slot. Use projected ownership before lock, then check actual ownership afterward to see whether your intended underweight stance held.Read the full definition of Underweight stance on someone projected so highly, and then it really comes down to just, all right, who are my other options if I don't go there? Sam Darnold? Well, all right, how is Sam Darnold optimal without JSN capped him? Cupps got to catch one. Barner's got to catch one. Maybe JSN has a touchdown but doesn't get the bonus. It feels like when Darnold fully gets there, a lot of it is through JSN. Now, it is possible, but it's harder for me to see.

Emmanuel Wilson, he's by far my second favorite. He leverages some off of JSN as well. But, yeah, the opportunities have been great for him. Now, Hawani's definitely in the mix too. Both of those guys are on the field. They both fumbled last week, but – Emmanuel Wilson has the second best touchdown prop on the slate, plus one twenty. JSN's plus one hundred. The next best is plus two oh five. But I'm just looking like these receiving props.

JSN in a tier of his own supposed to have over ninety yards. After that, no one's expected to have over fifty yards. Waddle's close at like forty six. And then you get like Sutton and all these guys, thirty five and below. So it's really just man, it's really hard to click for me.

Another name at captain that's not jsn and Wilson I would say the two favorites after that for me are I guess three bo nicks AJ Barner and jalen Waddle Barner is playing like every single snap at tight end he has fully taken over that role uh for his price you get on a different roster constructionRoster ConstructionRoster construction is how you organize a DFS lineup within its salary cap and roster rules. It includes where you spend or save, which positions you prioritize, and how your players fit together.Build two versions around your biggest spending decision, then compare every player who changes. Revisit the comparison when injury news changes the available value.Read the full definition of Roster Construction only six at captain you can leave money easier with him and yeah I mean his touchdown prop he's One of the best – hold on.

Receiving prop is number four on the slate behind JSN, Waddle, and Sutton. He's ahead of Shahid, ahead of Cooper Cup and all that. And his touchdown prop is plus-two-ninety, which is like six on the slate. So I think he's an underpriced player in the flex and captain. And I'm willing to take some shots up there. Bo Nix because he can spread it out more and he has some rushing upside. But then I go and I see he's twelve percent ownedOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership up there.

And if I'm going to be overweight, Wilson and JSN, which is already chalkyChalkChalk is the most popular, highly owned play on a slate. The term comes from sports betting, where the favorite is called the chalk.Don't label chalk good or bad. Ask whether each popular play deserves its ownership, then decide which chalk you'll eat and which you'll fade.Read the full definition of Chalk, I don't really want to be overweight Bo Nix that much, and I don't love him. Then Waddle stands out at only six percent and $9,000. I wouldn't be surprised, I guess, if it comes up a little bit, but it's hard for me to make too many cases for guys on the slate. So I'm going to tell myself I can get different enough in the flex, build better lineups.

I'm playing JSN. I'm playing Emmanuel Wilson from there. Probably Barner, my third favorite Waddle Nix are fine, but I still might be underweight because they're getting ownership after that. So not too many hot takes over here. Yeah, just got the stone updated here on our side. So shout out to the team getting it up and ready for us with the optimals. We've seen higher than this still with like a Gibbs slate and a Bijan slate.

But it is almost, what is it, eighty five percent, give or take. And that's with Captain and Flex for JSN. That projectionProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections is just far and away out there. I'll kick it over to you on this. I mean, the other night, how many targets did Puka get? Like, I think he was getting twenty catches almost in that game. I don't remember the exact targets title. Looks like it was twenty two. I'm going to look, though, but I think it was. It was definitely.

Yeah. You guys talk about it. I'll find it. Twenty four. Seventeen on twenty four. Yeah. Twenty four. That's crazy. So I was just looking back, though, like I was trying to think about that. And I know it's not all related. I talk about all the time where it's like a Sunday night football game, a five one wins. And then what happens on Monday night? Five ones go crazy. Everyone's in on five ones. That's not the case.

Like people are going to be on JSN no matter what. But we did end up getting a perfect storm. It's like the projections far and away. He just his props. He's the best guy on the slate. You don't have Sertan on the other side. You've got an opportunity just to play him with all the values can make it work. But realistically, he doesn't, he has big games.

This is JSM we're talking about, but I'm saying it's like a three touchdown game, a two touchdown game to get to those thirty eight forty five. Puka got twenty four targets. Right? You're seeing the highest targets for JSN in the last year and a half is fourteen. Now, could they pepper him just as much? It's possible.

I'm just saying it at least makes it somewhat interesting when you're thinking about some of the other positions because even if you're at the field or above on this guy, you still have six percenters, three percenters, four percenters at running back ones and wide receiver one positions for the Broncos. On the other side, Emmanuel Wilson looks to be one third at the captain and could just be a running game. Could be him instead.

So what are your thoughts on the captain and start with JSN? I guess any other thoughts on how to handle him here? The clear alpha guy on the slate in this game, devil's advocate is, okay, I just feel so much better about these situations when it's a running back opposed to a wide receiver or a tight end where it's like they're still relying on somebody else to get them the ball. They're still relying on offensive line to block for the quarterback.

Like there's other obstacles. I think there's a more, let me put it this way. There's more clear path for wide receivers to bust in the spot. I think then running backs who are almost, you know, guaranteed like the Gibbs and Bijans who are guaranteed to get like, you know, twenty five touches and they're just going to do something eventually. So there if you want to make a case against it, I'd feel more comfortable doing it with a wide receiver opposed to a running back.

But with all that being said, like it's easier again in other games to make the cases where we have other studs, like in that Rams and Bills games, like, okay, you don't like this guy that looks bulletproof. Then you got Josh Allen, you got Kyron Williams. You just have a plethora of options here.

It's like, if you don't go JSN, have you like, where are you going right so I think for me personally I still like the overweight stance I mean just seems very Likely like you said eighty five if you wanna I guess if you wanna take like an overweight an underweight stance on this I'd prefer to do it in the flex right like maybe go super heavy in the captain and then you know maybe lighter in the flex for me personally I want to get I think as as much as I can and and I plan on being over After him, I kind of already alluded to it a little bit.

Emmanuel Wilson will be my number two. And I think you kind of touched on it as well, Tambo. It's like, okay, if JSN does not have this spectacular game, you got Emmanuel Wilson who's getting twenty plus touches a game and just getting all this work. Could he get three rushing touchdowns? Yeah, we saw it about a couple weeks ago. I don't know. Was it three or two? We had a bunch of touchdowns. I think it was two. Someone can back that up.

Do you guys know off the top of your head? Was it two or three?

Couple weeks ago I don't know he had the big game now now I'm kind of curious uh two I know it wasn't three or two touchdowns yeah he ran one in and caught one so um yeah like that would be the case you make maybe against jsn maybe it's emmanuel Wilson's I like emmanuel Wilson up top and then on the bronco side it's it's tough I mean it's very tough and like If they weren't playing Seattle, who I think has arguably the best defense in the league, I would be more willing to take chances on Waddle, Sutton, Dobbins, guys like that.

Seattle's defense is just so good. And then you got this defense, you got this offense who really hasn't done shit. They're playing, they're what, three and two, the Broncos. So they're winning games, but their offense hasn't done shit. Like this does not seem like the spot where they start doing shit. So- I'm fine with Nix. I think he could take off a little bit more in this spot. You're going to get a lot of pressure from Seattle, so maybe he takes off.

He hasn't ran a ton this year, but we've seen it in the past, and one rushing touchdown goes a long way for these quarterbacks. So it would be Bo Nix. I guess for me it's going to be – consolidated up top like jsn emmanuel Wilson and some bow knicks but I definitely prefer the jsn and emmanuel Wilson stuff hope the ownership stays Relatively low. What do we have?

Wilson in the cap, and we have him right around ten percent, and that's probably where it ends up, and I think that's a fair number. I'd like to be over that, over JSN, and then some Bo Nix I guess I'd be fine with, but I don't feel great about it. Like I said, I'd like to make the case, and Tambo, maybe you can make the case for some of these other guys.

You've done a good job of identifying this stuff in the past, but I'm struggling with it, so it's like those three, and I don't really know what else. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll say this. It's definitely hard to make a case. I don't think I'm going to be selling people tonight. They might not be buying what I'm selling, but I will say it's easy for me to play this way and just not care, and if it doesn't work out, move on to the next slate.

I'll definitely be underweightUnderweightYou are underweight in DFS when a player, team stack or lineup combination appears in a smaller percentage of your entries than in the contest field's entries.Compare the same contest, format and roster slot. Use projected ownership before lock, then check actual ownership afterward to see whether your intended underweight stance held.Read the full definition of Underweight on JSN. He might actually still be my top-owned captain because it could be like twenty-five percent on him, but then I spread out, but I can't let this other stuff go. The Seahawks just automatically win. Someone talks about it like... Seattle D is stunk. I don't, I don't think they're a bad team at all, but we could have like five weeks of flop leg on these Broncos finally hit. They're just two and a half dogs.

Like it doesn't even make any sense to me. Like I think they can win this game. So when you've got Bo Nix, JK Dobbins and Jalen Waddle for a combined ownershipOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership of essentially the, Twenty percent on those three. It's like you can I can get ten, ten, ten on all of them just fine and do that. Like, I think Bo Nix can spread it out. He's got Waddle Sutton, whoever you want to pick to fill in the spot.

Your boy, little Jordan Humphrey on the slateSlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate, by the way. So we've got to talk about that and see what happens with him. But Ingram is over there. They've got options. They throw it to Harvey. You know, there's Dobbins getting touches now. So that's the next theory. And oh, no quarterbacks run on this slate. Great. If neither of them do, then it's great. Then there's less to contend with. Only so many guys run on this slate.

Wilson, Dobbins, and then like Hoop said, it's a wide receiver up top. We know why JSN is the top captain and everything that goes with it. But I like Dobbins. If you flip the script of the game and they are just winning it, he's been getting the carries, the touches, all that stuff. He can work out. He's $12,600 in the captains.

Waddle I'm just flipping the build it's the opposite wide receiver one or what should be we'll see and you can play him so I really like those three the most on the on Denver side on the other side I think title brought up an interesting one earlier and I'll go into it further but Barner if you just jam Barner Darnold, Knicks, and JSN, you can fit it easily, by the way, then I get it.

Like that's going to work out and look really good and probably score really well too. Like they all should get tons of opportunities. And we said it earlier, there's nobody really on the slate with great projectionsProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections outside of Darnold, Knicks, Wilson, and JSN. The rest are pretty mediocre. After that. So you can put Waddle in there, I guess, whatever, Dobbins. But the point being, you almost be able to fit all those with a balanced buildBalanced BuildA balanced build spreads salary fairly evenly across a lineup, using mostly mid-priced players instead of a few stars and several minimum-salary players.Go balanced when the slate lacks trustworthy cheap plays. Forcing stars and scrubs without real value just fills your lineup with players who have no role.Read the full definition of Balanced Build.

So that's the one hoop where I would want to leave the money, right? If you're doing that and you've got the remaining money to fit these two really good balance guys and spend forty nine seven and think that's different with a burner captain, I'd be looking to leave a couple thousand, $3,000.

You can still have a really nice lineup that makes sense, tells a story, plays some of these guys that you'll hear us talk about when we get to position by position and go from there. The other side, it is tough. But, you know, Barner, I just mentioned. Wilson, I talked about earlier. And then the ugliest one, I think, of all. But it is interesting, especially if you look at the stone. I think Darnold is the more interesting quarterback to me.

And I will even do it in some lineups where I fade JSN in the flex just because you can. But we saw a game like this last year, and it's nothing to do with this game. Last year's game is not this year's game. But I think it was the game Horton got injured after he got a touchdown, though. So it was like Horton already got a touchdown. Arroyo, who we'll probably talk about later, got a touchdown.

They were just bombing it out to everybody. And that was a way you could see this go. So I definitely have interest in Darnold. He's full leverageLeverageLeverage is the edge you gain by rostering a play the field is underweight on, compared with how often it ends up in winning lineups. When that play outscores the popular option most lineups chose instead, you gain ground on those lineups, though the rest of your roster still decides where you finish.Look for leverage on players connected to the chalk, like the other side of a popular game or a teammate who can steal the popular player's touches.Read the full definition of Leverage. Right. He's he's the, you know, $14,700 to $17,400 on JSN. You could play JSN in the flex or not. And then you could also have the guy that would really hurt JSN. And by the way, it didn't fully work out the other night, but Stafford was up there in a lot of lineups.

Still, it was getting close near the end of that game, even with the crazy Nissa Puka, where there was still lineups that could have won.

With Stafford up there obviously puka went off but just saying it so yeah I could see a spot here for Darnold as well so I'm definitely spreading it out a lot more but and feel very comfortable doing it but mainly it's just because you know to title's point usually he always says the same thing and it's a great point is once you go underweight on that big dog you can get overweight on all those other guys so when you get almost the perfect storm of that it feels nice From, for me, from a portfolio perspective to say like, I'm not just playing everything, but I'm, I'm leveraging everything.

And in a meaningful, realistic way, that's how I would think about it. So title, you got any other thoughts there on, on captains or anything else you want to add? Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense, like game theory-wise and all that. Why it's a little harder for me, just like break, like Harvey and Dobbins are kind of in a split. Looking at, I mean, Denver can easily win this game.

I think they can win the game by fourteen, and JSN, similar to like when I won with Worthy, when they got absolutely destroyed, I think JSN can be captain in a two-four, Seahawks lose by fourteen, but because it's so much more spread out on that side, maybe Dobbins gets one, Sutton gets one, Harvey gets one.

Whatever but oh jsn went eleven for one twenty and some was garbage time I just think there's it's a lot I mean the reason they're getting a lot more ownership it's a lot more certain that they're gonna jsn's gonna get the most targets Wilson's probably gonna lead the game in a rushing attempt so more safety but that's coming with ownership and yeah when you win how much you win so Again, I love this slate.

I'm going to be mixing in some of these random guys down there too, but I know most people aren't listening that are playing a hundred fifty teams. So we try and make more of a stand when we talk about it. But yeah, just know what your goal is. Like you said, you're up there for $88,000. But in the third quarter, like I had a buddy up that scorcher guy who I talked to. He's he sent me. He was a part of your chop.

He sent it to me. I'm like, you're better than this man. Like, hey, it's. It's two of the best offenses, too. Like, it's not the freaking Jets-Browns in a thirty total. Like, that's a different ballgame. Like, there's a lot more points that are going to be scored. I used Jets-Titans. A buddy of mine texted me. I was like, buddy, I would feel – I was like, maybe if it was like the Jets-Titans or something.

But I was like, I don't even – the only reason I even know is because people tag me and send it to me. I'm not looking then to worry about it. I'm not even thinking about it. My takeaway for those that were sending again, I appreciate the support. Obviously I want, I want to win it too, but it's like, it's so early with those teams, but it just all, I'm just showcasing that it's when I win, I it's going to be like that.

It's not going to be, you know, often like I'm not going to be in that, I think I was in for more on FanDuel than first place. Again, you win more prizes too, not just the one prize to cover all your buy-ins, but it's not going to be common for me to be involved in that stuff. Now, I want to ask you this, transitioning to quarterback. I know it's big boy here, covers your whole face, and I'll take it down in a second.

But Adam said, with a low total, are you comfortable? And this is why when we go to quarterback in the flex, we're talking about this. So he's saying, are you comfortable playing lineups with neither quarterback in, say, a Wilson captain lineupShowdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown, and then just leave a bunch of salary? For sure. Yeah. I mean, Sam Darnold not running. It's been really bad for Bo Nix.

What if both teams just want to pound it in the ground, take the air out of the clock and full point PPR side, it's a lot easier. So DraftKings a lot more than FanDuel and I'm definitely fine with it today. A lot easier, like you said, on lower total games than higher total games. I'll kick it to hoop on the same question and then let hoop go first at quarterback.

If he has anything else to add between Darnold Knicks and he, you know, wasn't as high on them up top, obviously, but in the flex, you know, it makes a ton of sense for, especially if you've got JSN Darnold in the flex, et cetera, but hoop your thoughts on that same question and how you build it out like that. Well, yeah.

And it's from our guy, uh, where Hane, who made a nice run in the, uh, Survivor, I think, was the main contest last year, so hopefully things are going well. And, yeah, it's fine. I mean, definitely fine doing that today.

It's just, like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just some ugly, random-looking team that wins it at the end and no quarterback on a slateSlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate like this where there's not much to really spend up on or spending upSpending UpSpending up means choosing a higher-priced player over a cheaper alternative, using more of your lineup's salary budget at that spot. You may also hear it called paying up.Build a version with your preferred expensive player and another without. Before choosing, check whether either version relies on a cheap player whose expected role still depends on unresolved injury news.Read the full definition of Spending Up and feeling comfortable with. I'd be fine doing it.

Um in in turn to the captains like yeah I mean in the flex you know the case obviously for them is they're gonna if it is a low scoring slate and they end up with even like a floor game of ten or twelve like this could be it could be enough I mean uh the total sitting at forty and a lot of people think it goes under that so like you know ten twelve fantasy points could be a lot on the slate I mean there's only five guys projected above ten so uh even floor games for the quarterbacks um

Are Likely to to be needed in this game and you know kind of whatever I get you know in terms of Darnold and and bo nicks I'd be fine with so I mean nothing nothing nothing crazy here I was going to add that second part. Like I said, you can see it for sure where it doesn't end up being needed, but also you could see the flip side.

A lot of people avoid or build in rules for no quarterback versus defense and stuff like that. Like on a slate like this, on any slate, I'm fine with it. I don't want to rule myself out of that anyway.

But on a slate like this, the quarterbacks just project far and away against even their outside guys, their receivers, their tight ends, all that stuff that you could have Seattle dominate with a Wilson captain, the Seahawks defense, and Nix is still, he runs one in from the one yard line and he has enough going on that he just exceeds the guys that can't catch the ball or can't get anything going. And you could still see that.

So I would be, I would be playing the defenses against quarterbacks tonight still and be just fine with those in the lineup as well. Um, title kick is you for anything at quarterback in the flex or just any build thoughts when it comes to that stuff. You talked about like the two, four with JSN. I know to kick off the season, I had a, I had a, the, the tie for ticket number one for FFWC that I ended up losing. That was a JSN price.

Lineup no no Darnold and then it had four guys from the other side so could you see something like that again tonight as well yeah for sure I mean so many of Darnold dropbacks go right to JSN and yeah like Coop said like you might see ten on the winner for quarterback but in the flex but if I was if I knew that both quarterbacks scored ten points I'd have zero because when you win without them like you have a lot better chance to get uh to get paid greatly so uh yeah right now I'm thinking I like Darnold more in the flex Bo Nix less And that kind of goes back to I'm playing a lot of JSN at captain.

So it is really easy to go JSN, Darnold flex. You can get different enough spots, in my opinion, on this slate with the other four spots. But yeah, I'm fine having some JSN captain, no Darnold. I always I mean, naturally, you're going to get a good amount of quarterbacks in the flex. But by no means would I make a rule like you're saying. I will say too, just a final note, then I'll kick it back to you for running back title.

But there's going to be a lot of Darnold in the flex tonight because it's going to be a lot of JSN and the captain tonight. I know it seems obvious to put it out there for people, but that's another thing. So any chance that you're under on Darnold, it could be good overall in a way if it doesn't go that way or work out, that you'll be feeling better about that because most people are going to be sitting there with that regardless, right?

Once they have their JSN captains. Up top. This was the best. Again, keep throwing your questions in there, guys. You know, if we find really good ones like this, it's always nice to have them for each position as we go to it. So title, I'll kick it to you first, then let you just take us into running back as a whole. But it says, because Dobbins Harvey are so game scriptGame ScriptGame script is how a game's score and time remaining influence its pace, play choices and player opportunities. In football, teams protecting a lead often run more, while teams chasing a deficit often pass more.Before locking a lineup, ask who keeps playing if your expected script reverses. Check passing-down roles and backup rotations instead of assuming a team's leading rusher handles every situation.Read the full definition of Game Script dependent, would you be Likely to play max one per lineup?

Most of my lineups probably will have that if I was playing like twenty or less and you're trying. I talk about it in MMA more and stuff like you try and make that script like what you actually think is going to happen. You make more stands. Yeah, I probably would make that rule. The more teams you make.

I forget what slateSlateA slate in DFS is the set of games, races, fights or tournament rounds covered by a contest. It determines which events your player selections can come from and which performances count toward your score.Before building, open the contest details and check the included events, scoring period and lock rules. Do not assume two sites offer identical slates just because both call them the main slate.Read the full definition of Slate it was, but I've grouped myself out of things in the past and really tilted myself because if those two are in the winning lineup together, there are a lot less dupesDuplicate LineupsDuplicate lineups are entries in the same DFS contest with identical player selections and scoring assignments, including any multiplier positions. In standard cash-prize tournaments, these entries tie and share the combined prizes for the places they occupy.Use the actual prize table to calculate your payout in a first-place tie with two, five or ten entries. Compare those outcomes before choosing between similarly strong builds.Read the full definition of Duplicate Lineups you are going to see together. And how would Dobbins and Harvey work? Maybe they just get out fourteen nothing. We saw Blake Corum get a one yard touchdown. Then Kyron got one later. What if Dobbins got a long run tired? There comes Harvey in.

And then you just got six from them both because Dobbins had a great drive and Harvey that way. And especially with how bad Bo Nix has played this year, maybe Sean Payton does just want to pound the football. So by no means, if you're playing like fifty, sixty plus teams, the reason you're playing all those teams is to have a bigger portfolio and do crazier things. But yeah, I mean, it is a split. Most of the time, it's probably not going to work out.

I like Dobbins more when you think Broncos are ahead. And I like Harvey more in closer games or in their trailing. It's just the natural thought process. But both are going to be on the field. And again, on a lower scoring game, maybe twelve from Dobbins and ten from Harvey is enough for them both that way to make it more appealing. I like Harvey more than Dobbins personally today, but it really comes down to the price tag.

$8,400 is a it's a big price. It's pretty close to the quarterbacks. JSN is expensive. The props aren't that great. Again, they're splitting. So I just I need Dobbins team. I can go right down to Harvey. So Dobbins probably my least favorite. Just looking at the ownershipOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership. Emmanuel Wilson. I like Holani. Both are rotating in like $4,400 for a guy that's on the field quite a bit. He had a really bad fumble last week, but.

They still went back to him, catch the ball out of the backfield. I think both of them are strong, and I definitely would be fine. It's a lot easier to play Wilson Helwani together than Dobbins Harvey due to the prices and just the pass-catching ability for Helwani. After that, though, like... Tyler Batty is fourteen hundred. Again, if you're playing all a bunch of teams, he's like a Davis Allen play. It's not a sexy click and won't get there often.

But if it does, he's very low on and you can jam in studs. But yeah, don't love Dobbins. He's probably my least favorite of that bunch. Yeah, that's the thing about the Broncos. They got these randoms, right? Like you talked about, I think it's like Bidet, Tyler Bidet. Yeah, it is. They got him, they got Adkins, they got Mims, they got Franklin.

They got all this shit going on where it's like he makes a case for Knicks, I guess, but it's also tricky to figure out when you're looking at it from the other perspective. The other thing I'll say is like you said something interesting, like it's $13,800. For Holani and Wilson. It's $14,800 for the other side, but it's just way more realistic to see the to see the Seahawks side happen and the way they work them in and the way the game flow could go in that.

But there is something to be said for like the Dobbins Harvey stuff. A couple of things. One, if it was going to be both, I think it would be somewhat interesting because you have the setup where like if Dobbins scored early and that's what you would expect. Okay, fine. The Broncos are going to do this, but then it comes back the other way.

And you're like, damn, now it's all of a sudden it's twenty one to seven in the third quarter and it becomes Harvey time. Well, that's how the two of them could end up. So I would just say I wouldn't rule it out. Again, however many lineups you have, it's probably not going to happen to you where you get both when you've got twenty lineups or less.

But in your full portfolio, if you are playing more lineups, definitely not something I would rule out on this slate. The other thing you said that I'll kick it to who would be that I actually love is whether you have the $8,400 left or more or not and being able to drop down is one thing. But even if you didn't have $8,400, you just had $6,500.

I'm saying the more interesting thing about Harvey is I don't think a lot of people like to play, especially if it's like a JSN five one. Um, construction. I don't think a lot of people like to play a running back as the one it just ran. I know that people know he can catch passes. Like, well, he's kind of this too. I get it.

But I'm saying people are way more Likely to play a Waddle, a Sutton, a Harvey or sorry, an Ingram, even a Knicks. If they had the money somehow to be like, well, at least he spreads it out. And if he gets to the goal line, it could be that like, it is. They don't seemingly love to play a running back on the one if you're running a five one.

And whether it's Barner up top, JSN, whoever your Seahawks is, just my point, you should be able to find a way to afford a guy like Harvey. And I think we saw was this was it the San Francisco game? We're trying to pull it up here right quick. Harvey, Harvey, Harvey. I think it was the San Francisco game. I was looking at it earlier.

Yeah, ten targets in a game where they were down, and I think they only scored fourteen points in the game, but they had to come back, and he was just getting all the targets there. Different game, different setup, all those factors, but just he could still fit into that mold quite easily, and he could end up being the guy that gets all the receiving. So, Hoop, I'll kick it to you. Anything at running back that you got?

I mean, literally in full lockstep with what Title said. What he said is exactly what I was going to say. Emmanuel Wilson... RJ Harvey, Holani Dobbins of those four Dobbins, my least favorite. And then, what is it, Batty, Bidet, Booth, whatever the hell his name is. It just doesn't seem like it's the slate. Like, I'm playing guys like that when I have four or five studs that I want to play for. Like, you know, last game, Josh Allen, Pook, Davante Adams.

Like, there's all those guys. So, even if he goes out and duds, it's fine because you've got all those studs. Like, on this slate, though, we just don't have the studs.

So, I don't think there's room for – bidet baddie booty guy so he's out but it's Wilson Harvey helani Dobbins and gonna play it like that all right take us into wide receiver then we've got a couple of different ways we can go here but like I said there is some value guys that are being mentioned on this slate specifically uh tory horton for the Seahawks is getting talked up a little bit and then on the other side you've got Troy Franklin mims your boy little Jordan Humphrey um any any thoughts here So on the Seattle side, I mean, it is interesting because we've talked about how there's just not a ton of options on the slate.

Well, the prices now have come way down. You have JSN, tier of his own, nothing else to add there, stud on the slate. But Rashid Shahid is $3,600. And we talked about it last late with I think it was Blake Corum, like just needs one touchdown. I don't think he ended it. Was he on the optimal when it was all said and done? I don't think so. Just because all those guys went off. I think Higbee, Ty Johns, I don't know if he fully got there.

So he was like right there. You didn't hate having him. No, yeah, exactly. Like it was a plus play for sure. And these guys are now priced where, especially in this game with a . Forty total, it's like if they do anything, it might be needed. So like Shahid at . Thirty-six, Cooper Kopp at . Thirty-two, and like all these cheap wide receivers, if you are playing the Sam Darnold captains, Like this is where you play these guys.

And you can say the same on the other side with the Denver cheapies and even more so probably on the Denver side, because they do spread it out. Like I said, if you look at this, the box scores from Denver, there's a ton of guys catching passes. So they're going to have some opportunities. We're playing a showdownShowdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown slate where it could be low scoring one play and boom.

So, you know, the cheap guys I'll talk about on Denver first, Troy Franklin, Mims, And even, you know, Will Jordan, you know, I want to keep all these guys in the player pool, especially if you are playing Bo Nix captain. And then same thing for the cheap guys on the Seattle side. Better if you're playing the Sam Darnold captain stuff that Tambo kind of talked about in the opening. The tricky plays for sure.

Are like, what do you do with Jalen Waddle and Copeland Sutton? Because they're still getting ownershipOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership because you're going to have salary to spend on the slate. Waddle's $9,000 Sutton is $8,000 and, uh, ownership wise, uh, Sutton is coming in at twenty six percent. Uh, Waddle coming in at thirty two and they've done absolutely nothing all season long.

Uh, think I still want to be under on them I think I want to use these guys the waddles and the suttons when you build a team and you have enough to go to them just make a pivot way below like a few thousand I like them better in bo nicks captain teams right like so if you are playing the and I do plan on playing bone next captain team so in these teams that's where I do want to use Waddle and Sutton But outside of that, if I'm building a team and I end on these guys, I think this is the perfect situation just to leave a shit ton of money on the table and go down.

You can even do it within the same team. Like if you end up on Waddle and Sutton, you can just go down to Evan Ingram at $4,000. Like the odds are there for Ingram to outscore these guys. Like Ingram actually was their best pass catcher last game.

So that's kind of how I want to use those guys good playing them in bonex captain teams but if you are hand building and you end up in this range where you have enough for Waddle or you have enough for Sutton I think this is the perfect example on the slate just to come all the way down and leave a big chunk of salary on the table and it can be a very big chunk of salary on the table a lot of people just fill up the lineup and finish it as you can see Waddle is coming in with you know, thirty to forty percent ownership.

Sutton's coming in probably between twenty five and thirty percent ownership. So those are the kind of moves I think on the slate that I'll be looking to make. Yeah, I'll get to you in a sec there, Title. But we'll get to this as well, Andrews. Kickers outscore everyone under them. There's a thing tonight where you could see that, man. I think actually – and I'm skipping ahead, but the kickers do have projectionsProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections that are very similar to some of these wide receiver twos.

High altitude. They got a little boost as well. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing. So we'll see. But, Title, what do you got here at the wide receiver position?

Yeah, like – you Waddle Sutton like these guys naturally Shaheed like you're gonna have them in your stuff I'd be lying if I said I really loved any of them at the price I actually do like Troy Franklin though quite a bit like he stepped into the web since Pat Bryant got hurt that brutal leg injury in week four he went in and was the wide receiver three almost played as many snaps as jalen Waddle actually so I'm just trying to find guys and Shaheed too it's been bad for him but like he does have that big explosion stuff who's cheap in the $3,000 range that could outscore Copeland Sutton in the vacuum.

I think Shahid and Troy Franklin are two guys that could do it. So yeah, even though they're getting some ownership, it's hard to love like props. Don't love any of these guys. But yeah, you're just, you're forced to fill out a roster and, These guys naturally are going to fall in. When you play Darnold and you play Bo Nix, they work better. But I do think Troy Franklin, Shahid, I mean, Cooper Cupps, he's going to be on the field. These guys are going to be in.

Ability to leave money off of kickers, defenses, tight ends a little bit. I don't love it. I don't hate it. Mims is on the field. Lil Jordan on the field. Horton's on the field. Just a little bit, though. And like Coop said, it's not a slate. We don't have the baddies of the world in these guys. I don't think four is going to be enough today. Maybe.

But it doesn't feel like it just because we don't have four or five studs that are going to score a twenty five plus like we did on Monday. Yeah, I think it's more of what you said. I actually really like that Franklin call. At $3,000, Shahid's $3,600. But I think like Horton instead of one of copper Shahid or, you know, Franklin instead of Sutton. And it's $5,000. I'm not just saying their best wide receiver got hurt. That sucks as well.

Pat Bryant is their best wide receiver on that squad. Like that's I mean, he's better than Waddle Sutton. He's the man. Sucks to see him go down. He's definitely very good. I think Waddle has capabilities still. We just have to see them. I know we were watching the preseason and things like that, and we were at the big guy event. We're like, oh, there's Waddle. He's going to be good this year. Look at him at this game, and it's preseason. It means nothing.

I'm just noting that you would have expected to see a little bit more of these guys. It feels like it's waiting to happen. There's going to be one of these games at some point. So I just think, you know, it's critical how you're building the lineups, but to what we talked about earlier, like the captain leads down to what you're doing in the flex. You know, I'm more Likely with a guy like Waddle.

I want to see him either have that game or not. It's just, the problem is, you know, going back to you title, this, this setup is like, you know, you're plugging these guys in the flex just because you got the money and you can, if it's a JSN captain, you know, it gets a little bit trickier, I guess. But even then, it's like they could just outscore like a Waddle nine could still be good.

You don't know till we, till we know later on the game, but that ain't no good at captain. And it's like, it doesn't even feel good at flex if I knew that, but it's also, that's only like two and a half points under his projection. So it's not like he's way off. So it's really, really tricky to tell that beforehand, but I would just say, you gotta be building it accordingly. I like that Franklin call.

I think all the backups to JSN are interesting, but only because, like I said earlier, I'll have Darnold in the captain and stuff. So having Shahid, Kopp, Horton, Arroyo, Barner, those guys being mixed into my flex, it's going to be based off of that stuff. So just how I build. But I think it's more interesting on that than trying to figure out the Franklin, Mims, Humphrey, et cetera. Over there, I'd probably just do...

To what hoop talked about earlier it's a good segue I'll go back to you but I'd probably be more inclined on the Denver side just to default to Ingram right there he's $4,000 it's like uh you know his ownership's middling it's very similar to that of cup it's probably less than Shaheed uh tory horton you're sorry yeah tory horton is uh $2,400 so it's like you need you could always use the savings there but yeah I feel better about Ingram talk to us about this tight end position Yeah, I think it's strong with the two main guys, right?

I'll say that. Like, Ingram at $4,000, I hope. And I think it does because I think it will because there are a lot of cheapish sort of options. We talked about all those wide receivers. I think it will hold. I think he's a really good player at $4,000. Offense, it's kind of been struggling. Like, how does a quarterback usually get things going? It's like you find the tight end. And he had a solid game last week. It was what?

Four for fifty five. So four targets for four catches, fifty five yards, only $4,000 ownershipOwnershipOwnership is the percentage of lineups in a contest that include a given player. Projected ownership is an estimate made before lock; actual ownership is posted once the contest locks.Ownership isn't something to avoid; it's something to build around. The goal is understanding how the field is likely to build, then finding your edge relative to that.Read the full definition of Ownership under twenty percent. You know, he's probably one of my favorite overall plays on the slate. And then I really like Barner on the other side. I mean, if Cup and Shahid don't get it going like this is probably their number two wide receiver after JSN and he's only $4,200 probably will have more ownership than than Ingram.

Uh he's showing like right around twenty so like for a showdownShowdown (Captain and MVP)NFL Showdown lets you select players from one football game, including eligible quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends, kickers and team defenses. Your Captain or MVP receives the contest's scoring multiplier.Compare complete lineups with different players in the multiplier slot. Leaving salary unused can reduce duplication, but do not sacrifice meaningful scoring potential just to make your lineup unusual.Read the full definition of Showdown slate twenty percent's low own right like in my eyes so I like both these guys a ton and then you know similar to the baddie bidet guys like man like I just need more than like a couple fantasy points tonight so I don't really want to play any of these scrub tight ends so I want to focus on Barner Ingram Feel good about both.

And, you know, to me, overall, when I look at this slate, you know, probably the strongest position, you know, maybe outside of the kicker to talk about next. But I love these tight ends, Barner and Ingram. Twenty percent, probably twenty percent or lower on both. Great plays in my eyes. Man, these sites that just break their shit. Like I'm trying to use bet three, six, five. I'll call him right out to look at some props. I know titles already got them over there.

I could have went to our boy, but like they'll show the first five guys for any time touchdown. And then you click show more and they make you pick by name. Who you want to see. Like it always just used to be like, give me the whole list and let me compare and look at these things. I want to see the anytime on a Royal that that's the one thing somebody mentioned here about Oracle.

Our boy Oracle said Adkins for the Broncos at tight end leads them with the leads with, um, Two TDs. So you've got these guys like that. And we just talked about how a nine might end up being good in the flex. It's like, well, if you get a touchdown for one of those guys, you could be in good shape. But at least we've seen Arroyo do it before. He's a beast out there. I think he's possible. But again, six hundred bucks.

I don't know. It'll probably be more in JSN captains that you see it. I'd be looking to play him in some of your non JSN captain lineups just as a way to get different. It's got to be the most criminal market in all of sports betting. It is. It's just such robbery. So Arroyo is, what is he, ten to one to score a touchdown? Plus $1,000. That's wild. That is insane. Someone else has it over here. Plus eight hundred. That's insane.

Troy Franklin, plus seven fifty to score a touchdown. This should be criminally... This should be investigated. Someone needs to be prosecuted immediately. This should be fraud. This is fraudulent activity from the sports books. This is insane. Little Jordan Humphrey is sixteen to one to score a touchdown. That is... It's crazy. But somewhere, somebody is in a group chat right now, fired up with a little Jordan Humphrey anytime, sending it to their boys with a hundred bucks on it, being like, check this shit out, boys.

He hits tonight. Big sixteen hundred bucks. And I get it. It's like that is the return. That's the math. But it's yeah, that's not that should not be the odds on that happening. But how is that? How is that? In sports, you do get a quick sweat right out of the gates. In a game like tonight, though, my man, you might be waiting a long time on that sweat. We don't know. Hopefully not.

We get some scoring, but you never know when you get these low total games like this how it's going to shake out. By the way, this... The best of all time. Hall of Fame shit. Mike Evans. Mike Evans. And when you got a trash talker like Richard Sherman coming out of the woodworks saying, oh, my God, I wish I did that back in the day. That is the most disrespectful, most amazing way to punk someone off that you could ever do.

When he flips somebody, who am I looking at? Who's talking to me? And it's Diggs. I just thought it was funny. That is too good. That was the best thing I've seen on a football field.

Field like that was crazier did you see evans interview after this guy goes in and acts like it wasn't a thing like he just was doing I kind of had to just figure out who he was he's like I wasn't sure who I was it's like no man that's even better that he just goes in and plays it off like that just too too good and When Evans is healthy side note, just showcasing how good he can actually be. It's just, can he stay healthy?

That's the problem. That's the problem. He's never healthy. So he never gets to fully see. Well, he is though. He's one of those guys. You got to play them early and often if you're playing them because it's a, it can all go downhill, downhill quick. I was going to say just to finalize the tight end here though. The other interesting thing hoop is two hundred bucks. Let Ingram very similar. I think people like Barner quite a bit.

I know our ownership shows it's pretty close, but, tonight amongst them. But I don't know, maybe title you, you look at this stuff a ton too. Like what, what do you think? Do you think it can get steamed on Barner and Ingram could just hold tight or moonwalk a little bit because more people want to be on that Seahawks side, I think. Yeah.

I am a little worried that, that, that definitely can happen that more and more people, like, I mean, man, the snaps for Barner, eight, eight, eight, eight, It wasn't expected to be like this week one. We thought it would be a closer gap. Barner, there's no doubt he's underpriced for his role. And like you said, more people want to go Seahawks. So I am a little worried about that.

I also there's no there's no way there's no way it goes like a crazy number, though. There's no way like he's thirty five percent owned or anything like there's even thirty versus twenty, though, when you're playing JSN at captain thirty fifteen. I'm just saying I thought you called out a good point there, Hoop, of like if you go to the Ingram side, it's just it's going to be way less. I think it'll be way less played.

And my telltale sign is usually with the captain. Again, I see the ownership right now. I think we're off a little bit. It's only our initial run. But people are definitely playing Barner captain tonight. And even if it's only two or three percent, that could be to like . Five or . Seven on Ingram, which usually bleeds into the flex. Because then if they're already on Barner at the captain, he's a thought.

If I'm not playing him a captain, let me just fit him in in the flex. And he works so easily into JSN captains as well that I think that's something to think about here tonight, too. So, yeah, we'll see how it shakes out. But I like that call.

On Ingram quite a bit especially if you don't want to try and figure out the other guys at wide receiver now before we go to kickers indeed because it's actually a conversation tonight title do you want to you know think about this one our guy AFC Angelo says do you want one of Waddle Sutton Harvey Franklin Ingram in all your Knicks captain probably Probably. I'm trying to envision a Knicks captain team with someone other than those guys.

I'm trying to envision building a thousand lineups in an optimizerOptimizerAn optimizer is software that builds DFS lineups within a site's salary cap and roster rules. It uses projected fantasy points, your settings and, in some tools, simulations to select combinations for a chosen goal.Build a small test batch first. Check which players and combinations repeat, and investigate why before increasing the lineup count or changing settings.Read the full definition of Optimizer and seeing if you can win. Yeah, it would naturally, but the case against it would be, what, two rushing touchdowns, right? You'd have to probably run into. I mean, I'm trying to, like Tambo said, any optimizer, you can pick any of them, like, I mean, yeah, I'm trying to... You press build on a locked Knicks captain. It's going to be there. Might take a while to find one that doesn't have at least one of those guys.

So you might want to think about a couple of them. But in all seriousness, I'm noting it. Like, yeah, if you're building that by hand, I would definitely be thinking about one. And if you think it's going to be, you know, a little bit higher scoring, I'd be thinking about two and trying to get at least two and get all the way there with a Knicks captain so that it actually pays off. Did anybody want to talk about this one earlier?

Andrew... I'm not worried at all. To be honest, I'm more worried about fading himFadeTo fade a player is to leave him out of your lineups on purpose, usually because you expect him to be popular or you think he is a poor play.Fade with a reason, not a feeling. If you can't say why a popular player will disappoint, you're probably just giving away points.Read the full definition of Fade due to his bad drop. And I mean, it was relatively bad and it was kind of a tough catch, but I mean, it costed him the game that made him go for the third down before Cooper Cup. That close one, like Darnold put him on, put it on him and he dropped it.

So I'm almost more worried that he's going to come out for vengeance when you fade him. I'm not worried about the ankle. Yeah, I got you covered still because I just got to make a quick note. Andrew Black got the little tie piece on, the little slide-in unit that goes across it and everything. So let me ask the chat. What do you think? He's ready to roll, man. What does Andrews Black do for a living? That's what I want to know.

He's had some good questions in here today. We appreciate your support, Andrews. Have a little fun with it. But it looks like I would say he sells cars. I was going to say car salesman for sure. He's got that red Mustang in the background. Yeah, I was going to say. But what does Andrews Black do for a living? I'm curious what people think. Wait, where did that one go? We got to see that. Okay. Yeah, he had a Mustang. He got the truck on the other side.

It looks like a Suburban in the back or like some sort of SUV. But he's ready to sell, man. He does look like a salesman for sure. Yeah. All right, Hoop, I'll kick it over to you, and I'll kick it over to you for some kickers, some kickers in defense on this one. We talked about it. We don't always, but you mentioned it, the altitude. You got your game log chopper up there? You got everything figured out? Yes. He owns a...

He said himself, you're going to be able to get an LOL, own a construction company. Port-a-door Bible salesman. I can see that. I can definitely see that. It does look more like that than someone who owns a construction company. Is that like a job that you can make enough and have a career out of? What, a door-to-door Bible salesman? Yeah. I don't think so. I think you're just going to promote the church, right? That's what I mean. I don't know if you get it.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. He said, I am a man of the Lord, though. Yeah, I mean, me too. I just didn't know it was a job. Someone's got to be willing to pay you regardless. Yeah, no, you're just doing that. You have a Bible or you get one gifted to you or something. Who needs to buy a Bible? I think it used to be a bigger thing where people would go door to door and maybe sell.

But nowadays, if you're doing that, I'm assuming you want people to come to your church house. We do have, we do have people, I forget what religion, but like these people that go around trying to like convert you or getting into the church. That we have for sure. That's different. That's like trying. That's different. That's recruitment for sure. But Bible sales, I'd be like, buddy, I got a Bible. Yeah. Yeah. I want on Amazon. I already got one or it's passed down.

Like, yeah, I don't know. You want the old or the new Testament, baby? He's got like fake watches or something with the Bibles, but all right, we'll get back on track here. We've got, we've got Will Lutz, Jason Myers, I think we'll see, you know, pretty equal on those guys just because the kickers are going to be played tonight, Hoop. But I do still think everything leans to the Seattle side.

And then particularly when it comes to the defense, funny enough, we've seen all these slates where Sam Darnold seen ghosts and all these types of things. I don't think people are thinking that tonight when they're in here looking at this one. But what's your thoughts of these two? Yeah, I mean definitely obviously going to be in on the kickers. They have even built in advantage playing in the high altitude tonight and.

If you are a box score guy when it comes to kicker, be careful because you might get a little excited if you open up that Jason Myers. He's coming off a twenty three, a twenty three fantasy point game, five for five, two extra points. Let's see what he get a forty yard. I don't even have twenty three fantasy points this season. I don't think so. I do not. But. But I think he has twenty six total on the whole season. Yeah, but it goes it goes to it.

It's like those are the swaps, the pivots you can make if you end up on a sudden team, just drop all the way down to a kicker like this is the slate where they could easily score. So, you know, both these guys, Myers, Lutz, big games for both. Lutz has three games of nine and above. Myers is always pretty steady.

And then they have the advantage kicking in the high altitude tonight and then defenses I definitely want exposure to both defenses tonight this could be another game the only not issue but the thing to be cautious of this we've talked about this for years on this show and it remains undefeated right like the defenses in these games always come in higher on than we're thinking because people see that low total sitting right around it's going to be a defensive battle give me the defenses we're showing and it's it's It doesn't even matter because there's no way to really project for this.

It's going to be like fifteen to twenty probably on both. Yeah, so we've got Broncos. We've got them at sixteen. I bet it's probably low twenties. I always just add on five. Five to eight, somewhere in that range because it typically happens. I think it will happen again tonight, but I do want some for sure. I want them in my player pool. I don't want to be without them. These are other...

Pivots to make like I keep talking about it using the Sutton and wattle uh example just because I don't love those guys tonight you can come all the way down and leave four or $5,000 on the table and come down right to a defense if you want so um yeah that's uh that's my thoughts on those positions Yeah, and AFC came back around, so I just make a lot of rules, trying to narrow the dartboard a little bit.

Speaking of that, I want one kicker, a D, and everything. Again, if you want to do it that way, you can. I just say it, and Hoops mentioned it for years, you can rule yourself out of a situation.

You can narrow the player pool to narrow your dartboard, and then just get the lineups that you get with it, and hopefully it puts it together, and if you've got an optimizerOptimizerAn optimizer is software that builds DFS lineups within a site's salary cap and roster rules. It uses projected fantasy points, your settings and, in some tools, simulations to select combinations for a chosen goal.Build a small test batch first. Check which players and combinations repeat, and investigate why before increasing the lineup count or changing settings.Read the full definition of Optimizer like SaberSim or something like that, you're going to get correlations and things that go together over time, depending on the package you're on, it could get even better, but Yeah, good luck tonight. Side note with this one, Hoop, this one got me bad because everyone's seen this picture.

I know I've seen it a bunch of times. So this one goes out to lunch with the father-in-law.

It's just so funny because we always come on here and we're you know we're doing shows three to four days a week during during football season and it's like it makes you realize that it's like such a close-knit community where people remember everything I didn't at first I read that I was like what the hell is this guy talking about and then I remember the only time you ever dressed up without a hat on and your hair is combed over I think he even has a little tie piece on the unit that just slides across.

Definitely not. I'm definitely not a tie piece sort of guy. Definitely not a tie piece sort of guy. You don't have to worry about that. Yeah, I got to see. Anything you want to add there then, Title, at the kickers and Ds? And then Hoop's going to take a look at FanDuel as we go through all this. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to play all of them.

Any Dobbins, Harvey, Waddle, Sutton, like even Emmanuel Wilson, you're only giving up a couple projectionProjectionsDFS projections estimate a player's fantasy points for an upcoming slate using expected opportunities, performance and the contest's scoring rules. They describe an expected result, not a guaranteed score.Check the projection's update time and assumed role before using it. If news is already included, adjusting again for that same news can double-count its effect.Read the full definition of Projections points and you're saving up a lot of money. So in a game that's lower scoring like this, points become more valuable. You can see both coaches take your points on closer decisions, unlike what we saw last year.

Monday and I didn't mention it off the top but man even like the best coaches I put in the Discord like the sean mcveigh's and all this stuff for the world that we think are the best is buck just puckers when it comes down to let's settle for a forty eight yard field goal and we just drove the ball seventy yards in thirty seconds and no one can like what are these coach and he he admitted to it like to everyone he said it's my fault and all this like donkey donkeys they can't stop you how do you not go for two how do you not go for two I disagree.

I would not have went for two because they were not stopping you. You have every advantage in the OT because they can't stop you. Their defense is gassed. You just march down the field with ease. But why even take a fifty-eight forty-two when literally they can't stop you? That was good with not going for two. I would never have went for two. I felt so strongly. I thought that would have been the worst decision. But again, what do I know? I felt really strongly.

And so did McVay. He said he didn't consider it at all. To me, I guess the argument for it is you just marched on. They didn't – and I get the assumption that you can do it again in overtime, but then there's like who gets the ball first, who gets the ball second. You have them right there. But now even if they score first, now you get the ball back with the new OT rules.

I get that, but I'm thinking this defense has to be gas. You just took them a hundred or eighty yards with ease. There's no time to – for them to rest, you got the knockout punch. Boom. That would, I mean, that would, that would be my take on it, but I thought you guys would be on that side. Interesting. Okay. That was very strong. By the way, the thicker kicker is all done. Keep going.

And it's so funny now that you brought up the shoe size of the other guy, the Dallas guy. I watched the big boy kicker come out. I was like, there's no way this guy has tiny feet. It looked like he had tiny – it looked like he wore a size six. Did you notice that or no? This is a big boy. He's got to have a big foot.

He marched on that field, and the first thing I'm looking at is his freaking feet, and these things look tiny, tiny. We need the shoe size of Mevis or Mevis, whatever his name is. Well, he's got other things to worry about, man. All the allegations and stuff coming out after about this guy and hitting up like young girls on Instagram and four in the morning and stuff like that. This guy's a bit off. How young is the question?

Probably too young if they're talking about it. It feels too young to me. There's young and then there's too young. It's not like Leonard DiCaprio trading in for a twenty-five year old every year. This guy is only twenty-four himself and I think these girls are much younger. There's not a lot of wiggle room when you're only twenty-four and you're going down. You've got a small window to operate within. High school senior. That's weird. I want to say he does. I think he does.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm wondering when, uh, Dorner tush push. I'm just trying to see. Yeah. It still looks like the, uh, that he does. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Six, six, two hundred and fifty one pounds, by the way, for, uh, for Barnard Barnyard. Burnyard. That's a pretty good nickname, actually. Burgundy Bets. The merch just came in yesterday. And I'm sick because Hoop's going to be the first one to get it before the team even gets it. The new hat is fire. I can't wait to see that.

We don't even push this stuff. It's mostly because Winter Circle, we owe some people. We're going to get everybody taken care of. We appreciate the patience. I just talked to our guy that's handling it yesterday, and he ordered all the supplies, so everything should be shipped out. What is today? Probably tomorrow, I'd assume. Did you see the new hat? I haven't seen any of it, no. But I know he has it, so... I want to talk about GTA six. I want to talk about Shane Drohan.

And I want to talk about this, this hat. I thought you were going to say Shane Gillis. Like how soft does everyone come? Like that is like insane. That's that's even a controversy. That is wild to me. The Shane Gillis. I don't even know what's going on. Oh, it's just basically Saturday night live. Like you go to the gym, right? Like you, like any guy that goes to the gym would understand this with ease. Like, Oh, actually, I did see that.

I did see that. Yeah, about the girl and the... I mean, yeah, he's calling a spade a spade. Yeah, I mean, if you go to a gym nowadays, like...

And you're a guy like you notice that like it's not like a crazy take that he had people can do whatever they want if a guy wants to wear what he wants to wear if a girl wants to wear what she wants to wear like what are we talking about like they dressed in it and they have confidence to go to the gym in it whether they're looking for attention or guys that's human nature man like if you dress like that guys are going to look at you.

I just don't know what to tell you. The girls at the construction sites don't look like that for Andrews Black, though. His wife said he can't go to the gym. Especially if he's dressed like that. He's going to rope in all the gym goers. The best was the most viral post off of it when the guy said, thank you, Lord, and thank you, Shane Gillis, for doing this. He said, now girls are at the gym just proving themselves against you.

He said, I'm staying at the gym two hours longer than usual. I'm going to be in the best shape of my life because of this. So they were thanking Shane Gillis for the support on that. That's funny. All right. FanDuel real quick. Oh, yeah, do FanDuel. Do FanDuel. I forgot about that. Cooper Cup and Shahid. So they're like, what, thirty eight and $3,200 on DK. Cooper Cup is $7,600 on FanDuel and Shahid is $7,000 on FanDuel.

So very tough clicks there. But good news. Our guy Barner, $4,800 and Evan Ingram. So love both those guys. And, you know, Tambo talked about the switcheroo with those two. Switcheroo with those two. You like that? On DK, it's even more advantageous. It's even more advantageous on FanDuel because there's a eight hundred dollar difference where Ingram is actually more expensive than Barner. So that's an interesting move there.

And then you got all those cheap guys, and that was really the only pricing discrepancy there. Yeah. Do you see anything, Title, from your end? Like, you know, Bo Nix, I think, is, what, XVIIIK in the MVP over there? So that's up there a little bit, but I don't see, like... It's mainly just like the value, like Troy Franklin, $3,800 bar or forty eight.

But like there's just a huge fall off where like none of these like the little Jordan Humphrey for fourteen hundred. Nate Atkins, one point $6,000 Arroyo, one point $8,000 just become more in play because three four is more Likely to be enough. Even on a slate like this is more Likely to be enough on a FanDuel than DraftKings. But yeah. I mean, yeah, like Cooper Cup, Shahid, Harvey, Sutton. These guys are clearly, clearly overpriced. It's going to be, I think, kickers.

It's going to be some of the studs up top. Then people are going to plug in some kickers. More of the defenses for sure. And then Barner and Franklin. Yeah. Did you, do you see that hat? Yeah, that's really good. But of course not. Like, of course you wouldn't want it, but guess what? Like, how are you going to stop it? I mean, these are adult women dressing like that. That's what I was going to say. Like I yelled it for sure.

We're talking about like twenty one year olds and twenty three year olds and forty four. Like, what are you going to say? Yeah, I don't want you wearing that, honey. And then she's like, OK, dad, and put on whatever she wants. Yeah. I would not want that. Correct. But there's no stopping it. That's what I'm saying. You're not really going to get away from it. Yeah. All right. Shane Drohan tonight. Are we getting the sweep title?

I'm going to say no, but I've been, I mean, when my, my brother asked me who I thought was going to win this series, I said, I think the Dodgers. So I'm always real. I always cheer who I want to cheer. I have no money on it. It's very hard to sweep a team though. What are the odds? There's no way that probably like what minus one, I haven't even looked. Minus one fifty seven plus one thirty. Pretty close. Yeah.

I mean, I'm going to be on the Dodgers or I'm going to pick the Dodgers. But I mean, not with much confidence. It's pretty hard to bet against the Brewers right now. Hey, if Title wants to wear a banana hammock to work out to the gym, that's his business. You can't be stopping him, right? That's his thing. Maids could never pick against the Brewers, the Packers. He's a true homer, man. He's a true homer. Yeah, I'm not cheering for the Dodgers.

I'm not betting them. I just, I mean, you asked me a question. It was a betting question. Would you bet on drawing? Oh, if I had to bet, I'm taking plus money. I'm taking plus one-thirty over laying minus one-fifty-seven, no doubt. All right. All right. I don't bet he says. All right. I got to ask you guys this. Do either of you own a video game console like PlayStation? My son has the Xbox. We have one.

He has one in his room and one in the basement. And yeah, the grand theft thing is a pretty big deal. Why do you need two? You'll appreciate this story. It'll be a quickie because it revolves around somebody that you know quite well, my brother-in-law. He's already got the Xbox set up and my brother-in-law is notorious for just he lives quite pretty far away from us and when it comes Christmas time, we'll just like last minute shop and then just like mail something for the kids.

So he already, you know, my son already had the nice Xbox set up and you know, the day, like a week after Christmas, this package shows up for him and he bought them like the, super version of Xbox, not knowing that it already had an Xbox. So that's how we have two Xboxes. We've got one in the room, one in the basement. Todd, too rich. Yes. Todd, too rich. I like that one.

The reason I ask, so I haven't had a console since PS two. And now this game is coming out, and people are saying, like, you should buy DoorDash stock. Like, there's going to be so many people that are going to be stuck playing this game, and they'll be too lazy to cook. They're going to be ordering out. Like, it's going to be so much. This game is supposed to be crazy. I saw the trailer today for it. I guess it comes out November.

November. November. November. November. And even my wife was like, should we be buying a console to play? Like just nostalgia. I remember playing it when they were like flat cars on the screen, like whipping around, doing crazy shit, running people over, doing all that. What's the deal with this game? Do we got to all go buy consoles and be ready to go? Someone said on the PC, but it looks like it is crazy. What are we thinking here?

Looks wild it's the only game so I was never like a gamer Person I like I would I would always try like oh I'm gonna get into madden and then I go mad and live and just get my ass kicked like I've always been terrible terrible at video games like not my brother was a good video game player like he'd do well I was horrible at it uh but uh grand theft I don't know which version it was when I was still in high school, so probably one of the first ones.

I can still remember when one of the versions came out, me and my buddies literally stayed up all night playing whatever version it was. We took turns playing all night long. But I haven't really played a version of Grand Theft since then, but that one does look pretty sick. It took them long enough, I guess, is the whole point. But title, what's your thoughts on this thing? Are you going to be grabbing it up and playing or you got too much?

I know titles. There's no way because you can't make money on it. So he's out. Yeah, I play poker and free time and all. I mean, it looks fun. I loved back in the day Madden twenty five and. I was ranked in ultimate team and, um, black ops too. Like I loved certain video games and I would have fun, but yeah, at this point in life with the kid and a family of money's on my mind, I love poker.

So I was just playing until two AM and had to leave because the kid couldn't sleep last night. So no. Hey, I love that for you. I think that's why I didn't have a console since PS two, but now I'm forty. You should. Yeah. The kids are going to be in bed and it's like, well, I don't blame you. Get your mind off of all the grind. It'll be fun. There's no doubt. I think it'll be cool. Yeah.

And then if you want to do stuff, I, you know, my buddies tell me you got to get this headset. I'm like, I don't know if I'm about that headset life, bro, but it's like, you might have to, if you're doing GTA and the whole world with all of these people, you might as well be talking to them and getting into it. That's what they said.

I'll put on, look like a welcome to good burger back in the day, slam the little, you know, that's all I can think of when I wear one of them headsets. I haven't had one forever. So, I don't know. We'll think about it. Everyone says it's going to be nuts though. I saw the previews for it. The graphics look insane. I know everybody says this, but it is crazy.

And it's nuts to think about the business behind that for like Rockstar and whatever. It's like, I can't remember how big it is. I don't even mean it. Three hundred million or maybe it's a billion. I don't know. It's insane. Maybe it was three billion. It's just insane how much money they're going to make off this and all this as well. You don't play online, do you? You mostly play live. Mostly live. Some on coin poker, though. But yeah, mainly live.

Right on. All right. Anything else from you, Title, before we get out of here? I think it's a good slate. Again, two good teams, but yeah, low total, pretty close spread. So it should be competitive, very wide open on the Broncos side. What you do with JSN is definitely a question. If you can do like Tambo said, he still might have twenty five percent. That's still well under the field and still gives you outs if he does hit there. I'll probably have a little higher.

Yeah, go Barner, Wilson, JSN. I'll be cheering probably for the Seahawks, but I'm excited for this one for DFS. Good luck. Yeah. I like this slate quite a bit as well. Hoop, anything from you before we get out of here? Yeah, a little more excited now after talking through it all with you guys. I guess the main thing, as always, let's start out, what are we, week six? Let's start out week six strong and carry it all through the weekend. A hundred percent.

Only week six. We're going to be really optimistic about this season. Optimistic. Not one third the way done of the regular season yet. We are just getting to game six here. So we're week six. We're excited for that. If you guys want to check out shipitnation.com, all the promos are over on the site. The big news last week was the ship at games got converted. Shout out to our guy. I'll pull it up here.

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